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Brussels wants e-identities for EU citizens

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Veröffentlicht 21. Mai 2012, aktualisiert 29. Mai 2012

The European Commission is set to launch a substantial review of rules governing personal documents with the aim of making electronic identities take off across the EU. But the proposal faces likely opposition from civil rights groups and member states where identity cards do not exist.

Neelie Kroes, the EU's Digital Agenda Commissioner, will present by the beginning of June a new legislative proposal which aims “to facilitate cross-border electronic transactions” through the adoption of harmonised e-signatures, e-identities and electronic authentication services (eIAS) across EU member states, according to an internal document seen by EurActiv.

“A clear regulatory environment for eIAS would boost user convenience, trust and confidence in the digital world,” reads the paper. “This will increase the availability of cross-border and cross-sector eIAS and stimulate the take up of cross-border electronic transactions in all sectors.”

Brussels has long been trying to facilitate the emergence of a parallel system of electronic identification, on top of the the real-world existing documents. This has mainly been linked to the struggle for establishing a truly functioning single market, rather than on security grounds.

A directive was adopted in 1999 establishing a common framework for electronic signatures. The rationale for the legal text is that if EU citizens feel comfortable in signing documents online, they will increasingly move to the immaterial world of the e-commerce to do business and shopping, regardless of national borders.

Resistance expected at national level

Despite the EU's efforts to increase the security of e-signatures and the confidence in the emergence of virtual identities, citizens and governments have been slow to adopt electronic IDs.

Indeed, e-signatures are still confined to a few sectors, such as universities, while most EU nations have not yet introduced electronic identity cards.

Even if chip-embedded passports are becoming the norm across Europe, e-ID cards have been adopted in only in a handful of countries – Belgium, Estonia, Germany, Italy and the Netherlands. But there is no common system of mutual recognition among states using electronic IDs.

Perhaps more frustrating for the European Commission is that some member states like the United Kingdom do not even have paper identity cards, and the idea of adopting them causes widespread public opposition.

The UK briefly introduced ID cards during the second world war but abolished them afterwards. The use that the Nazi regime made of identity documents to single out Jewish people and send them into concentration camps has been a powerful argument against introducing ID documents across the Channel.

When Tony Blair's Labour government discussed the idea of ID cards, a citizen movement sprang up overnight to block the plans.

ID cards are also not used in Denmark and Ireland.

A bolder plan beyond e-signatures

Despite those cultural differences, Brussels still has the intention of moving ahead and a draft regulation is being examined in the Commission's several departments in so-called inter-service consultation.

The plan, to be unveiled in the coming days, is even more ambitious than the Commission's previous legislative attempt, as Brussels  now wants to extend the electronic authentication to a number of services, beyond e-signatures.

Kroes plans to “widen the scope of the current Directive by including also ancillary authentication services that complement e-signatures, like electronic seals, time/date stamps, etc,” reads an internal paper prepared by her cabinet.

To address the lack of mutual recognition of electronic certificates, Brussels wants to make it compulsory. “It is proposed that all member states recognise and accept all formally notified e-IDs from other EU member states,” underlines the paper.

The proposal does not go as far as proposing the introduction of electronic documents where they do not exist, but the obvious aim is to create an incentive for countries to do it.

Data theft

Kroes’ success is far from guaranteed. The concept of an electronic identity has in recent years been mainly associated with risks of identity theft and virtual fraud.

Officials say it is paramount that robust security mechanisms are put in place to guarantee the adoption of new electronic services. Justice Commissioner Viviane Reding has already suggested amending Kroes’ proposal to strengthen its data-protection obligations.

Among other things, Reding wants a 24-hour data breach notification to be part of the new regulation. If electronic identities are stolen or risk being wrongly used by non-authorised parties, the owners should be made aware of the data breach within 24 hours, argues the commissioner’s cabinet in an internal document seen by EurActiv.

The 24-hour reporting obligation is part of the overhaul of the entire legislative framework for EU data protection, which was launched by Reding in January and is now under scrutiny by the European Parliament and member states. Kroes intervened in that debate by softening the security requirements imposed on companies.

The new text on electronic identities will also likely face opposition in the European Parliament. The issue “will require the sensitivities of civil liberty groups, with likely echoes in the European Parliament, to be carefully addressed,” warns Kroes’ internal paper.

The backing of most member states seems guaranteed by prior behind-the-scene negotiations, the paper notes, but the Commission also expects vigorous debate at the EU Council of Ministers.

“Close Council scrutiny of detailed provisions should be expected, as not all member states have e-IDs and the subject is linked to core national sovereignty (state-citizen relationship, security), as well as e-Government organisation,” Kroes’ cabinet wrote.

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COMMENTS

  • This was written originally by Frances Stonor Saunders.

    Frances Stonor Saunders is the former arts editor of The New Statesman, author of The Cultural Cold War, Diabolical Englishman and The Devil's Broker and was awarded the Royal Historical Society's William Gladstone Memorial Prize. She lives in London. It is well worth reading and if you wish to, please pass it on to as many people as you can.

    "You may have heard that legislation creating compulsory ID Cards passed a crucial stage in the House of Commons. You may feel that ID cards are not something to worry about, since we already have Photo ID for our Passport and Driving License and an ID Card will be no different to that. What you have not been told is the full scope of this proposed ID Card, and what it will mean to you personally.

    The proposed ID Card will be different from any card you now hold. It will be connected to a database called the NIR, (National Identity Register), where all of your personal details will be stored. This will include the unique number that will be issued to you, your fingerprints, a scan of the back of your eye, and your photograph. Your name, address and date of birth will also obviously be stored there.

    There will be spaces on this database for your religion, residence status, and many other private and personal facts about you. There is unlimited space for every other details of your life on the NIR database, which can be expanded by the Government with or without further Acts of Parliament.

    By itself, you might think that this register is harmless, but you would be wrong to come to this conclusion. This new card will be used to check your identity against your entry in the register in real time, whenever you present it to 'prove who you are'.

    Every place that sells alcohol or cigarettes, every post office, every pharmacy, and every Bank will have an NIR Card Terminal, (very much like the Chip and Pin Readers that are everywhere now) into which your card can be 'swiped' to check your identity. Each time this happens, a record is made at the NIR of the time and place that the Card was presented. This means for example, that there will be a government record of every time you withdraw more than £99 at your branch of NatWest, who now demand ID for these transactions. Every time you have to prove that you are over 18, your card will be swiped, and a record made at the NIR. Restaurants and off licenses will demand that your card is swiped so that each receipt shows that they sold alcohol to someone over 18, and that this was proved by the access to the NIR, indemnifying them from prosecution.

    Private businesses are going to be given access to the NIR Database. If you want to apply for a job, you will have to present your card for a swipe. If you want to apply for a London Underground Oyster Card, or a supermarket loyalty card, or a driving license you will have to present your ID Card for a swipe. The same goes for getting a telephone line or a mobile phone or an internet account.

    Oyster, DVLA, BT and Nectar (for example) all run very detailed databases of their own. They will be allowed access to the NIR, just as every other business will be. This means that each of these entities will be able to store your unique number in their database, and place all your travel, phone records, driving activities and detailed shopping habits under your unique NIR number. These databases, which can easily fit on a storage device the size of your hand, will be sold to third parties either legally or illegally. It will then be possible for a non-governmental entity to create a detailed dossier of all your activities. Certainly, the government will have clandestine access to all of them, meaning that they will have a complete record of all your movements, from how much and when you withdraw from your bank account to what medications you are taking, down to the level of what sort of bread you eat - all accessible via a single unique number in a central database.

    This is quite a significant leap from a simple ID Card that shows your name and face.

    Most people do not know that this is the true character and scope of the proposed ID Card. Whenever the details of how it will work are explained to them, they quickly change from being ambivalent towards it.

    The Government is going to COMPEL you to enter your details into the NIR and to carry this card. If you and your children want to obtain or renew your passports, you will be forced to have your fingerprints taken and your eyes scanned for the NIR, and an ID Card will be issued to you whether you want one or not. If you refuse to be fingerprinted and eye scanned, you will not be able to get a passport. Your ID Card will, just like your passport, not be your property. The Home Secretary will have the right to revoke or suspend your ID at any time, meaning that you will not be able to withdraw money from your Bank Account, for example, or do anything that requires you to present your government issued ID Card.

    The arguments that have been put forwarded in favour of ID Cards can be easily disproved. ID Cards WILL NOT stop terrorists; every Spaniard has a compulsory ID Card as did the Madrid Bombers, and probably most of the 9/11 criminals. ID Cards will not 'eliminate benefit fraud', which in comparison, is small compared to the astronomical cost of this proposal, which will be measured in billions according to the LSE (London School of Economics). This scheme exists solely to exert total surveillance and control over the ordinary free British Citizen, and it will line the pockets of the companies that will create the computer systems at the expense of your freedom, privacy and money.

    If you did not know the full scope of the proposed ID Card Scheme before and you are as unsettled as I am at what it really means to you, to this country and its way of life, I urge you to email or photocopy this and give it to your friends and colleagues and everyone else you think should know and who cares. The Bill has proceeded to this stage due to the lack of accurate and complete information on this proposal being made public. Together and hand in hand, we can inform the entire nation if everyone who receives this passes it on."

    This message has nothing to do with Politics - it is to do with our freedom. But it is the Politicians that in ignorance will vote for the ID card and thus move us closer to the Police State that seems to be the aim of our current Government. Please pass this message on - and use your vote next General Election to get rid of the people who wish to destroy our cherished democracy.

    By :
    John Upton
    - Posted on :
    21/05/2012
  • Sorry. Government cannot be trusted to run an ID system.

    As a citizen, I will defend myself using any necessary means against this scheme.

    By :
    Hoover
    - Posted on :
    21/05/2012
  • Actually, I can see how the e-identity will work as one of the many building blocks in the United States of Europe that Wolfgang Schaueble recently discussed as a requirement for EU progress (as well as the best path to pursue for getting out of the current euro mess). Personally, as a lover of europeans and one who detests the clowns and structure of the current EU and its institutions, I sincerely hope that Schaueble gets his wish as then the UK will have to renegotiate its relationship with whatever the USof E will look like. I think people may be surprised at how may countries won't want to sign up to this (that is, the electorates of those countries rather than the clowns, oafs and buffoons of those countries who purport to be their leaders).

    By :
    Don Latuske
    - Posted on :
    21/05/2012
  • No way will the English people accept an identity card, e, paper or any other medium. It suits the continental mentality - I can't imagine a French state official not grunting "vos papiers" on the slightest pretext - but we'd be out of the EU before accepting this crap. Maybe we would be out anyway given the choice.

    By :
    Charles_M
    - Posted on :
    21/05/2012
  • 1. tell you in 24 hours about a breach with identity - more like 30 minutes required. In fact anything more than 30 milliseconds is far too long.

    2. ID cards - over my dead body, even tho I still have my ID card rom the 2nd world war!

    By :
    David Ramsay
    - Posted on :
    21/05/2012
  • I have deliberately put my full name on this contribution. I have already had one Identity Card in my life, and I swore I would never have another one. You see, all those in Belsen had ID cards, and all those in other German Camps had had them at one time too.

    After the war, schools (in the highly bombed area where I lived then-Manchester area/Trafford Park with its many factories just half a mile from the Manchester Ship Canal, the Swing Bridge with the swing bridge part of the Aqueduct, also near the great Manchester Power Station with many holding tanks of oil or gas-I did not know for sure which-I still don’t- a few yards away.)

    After that war, Schools were treated to an afternoon at the pictures, but not as we first thought, for we were there to see the film of the opening of Belsen Concentration Camp. No, “For Adults only” in those days, and certainly not for these films. There was a man, like a living skeleton with the Scull cap on, sitting on the ground, picking over the cloths is one I remember vividly and I wonder if he lived! Scenes I have never forgotten but we were made to go and see them-SO THAT NEVER, NEVER WOULD WE EVER FORGET WHAT INHUMAN TREATMENT SO MANY HAD SUFFERED AND DIED IN THOSE CAMPS-but there were many other such camps too.

    You see, Identity cards are not just for the purpose you might be told, for who exactly will be running this Country if "TODAY's" Politicians do not open their eyes as to what the European Union is REALLY all about. Do they really think THEY will have a voice when we have read so many time that the EU wants to "speak with its one voice in all matters" and especially in the UNSC?

    How do any of Today's Politicains know who will be the next person who has the Highest Authority, and if they don't want whoever, do they REALLY think they can stop such a person that may be a dictator?

    This below, is one of the films we were taken to see, for I remember the one lady among all the men and she was holding a bottle of smelling salts under her nose and/or a handkerchief. Do NOT look at the film if of a weak disposition. http://www.britishpathe.com/video/german-atrocities And I never forgot a man in a scull cap picking over the clothes. That was at Belsen. Remember too there were 18 of these Camps.

    If I end my days in prison for not carrying or having an ID card so be it, because I certainly cannot afford to waste money on an ID card. I am surprised the Government has enough money to afford to put forward such a Bill, but then, they have already reduced payments for so many people, even the elderly, already haven't they?

    By :
    Anne Palmer
    - Posted on :
    22/05/2012
  • I have an ID card & I'm very happy with it - actually I have several - they are called debit cards & they give me access to the only thing I really want access to - money/transactions. If people insist on knowing me is me, I have a passport. I'm interested to hear from the EC reasoned arguments as to why I would need more than this - so far there has been silence.

    Earlier this year PWR, my company, undertook a survey of e-ID in mostly Scandinavian countries. This was mostly with respect to companies - where there are some benefits (am I really doing business with Company X?). However, even there, the case of formal e-ID is un-proven given that there is also the private provision of data & ID (e.g. Dun & Bradstreet).

    In response to the first post, it is worth noting that the UK proposals were introduced by a Labour government under the then home secretary Jack "the facist" Straw. I was at an e-ID conf in the mid-2000s and heard one of the neo-Nazis working for Straw (in the UK's Home Office) spouting on about "benefits" - the man was borderline insane. Sticking with the Nazi theme, pre-WW2 the Belgians did not have ID cards - but liked what the Nazis introduced - which says it all really. I'm assuming that with this proposal the EC is actively working to get the UK out of the EU?

    By :
    Mike Parr
    - Posted on :
    22/05/2012
  • Thinking about the matter of ID cards, we pay our Government to govern according to our Constitution, this they cannot do because of the Treaties THEY have ratified without the permission of any British Citizen. OUR Politicians, past and present, have to take full responsibility for each and every EU Treaty that has been ratified, for the people have had no say before any one of them was ratified.

    ID cards in the last war were meant only for UK Citizens and their Government and it may well have been sheer treachery to have given those details to any foreigner. If orders for ID cards for ALL in the EU came about, perhaps the betrayal of the people of this Country, the sheer treachery of what British Politicians have done over the years when they signed the people of this Country up to the EC/EEC/EU, could be challenged in a Court of law.

    Yes, I know and realise many people have tried this before and failed, as have I on two occasions now, but on this matter, this would also touch British Judges too for they too would have to carry an ID card. Only British Judges can Judge in British Courts at the moment. So folks, we live in interesting times.

    By :
    Anne
    - Posted on :
    22/05/2012
  • I have hard time understanding why British oppose to ID cards. It makes your life easy. Even for the simplest thing, you are required to prove your address with an invoice, your identity with a birth certificate etc etc. In continental Europe, you have a legitimate ID card, which proves who you are and where you live better than your invoices and all sorts of dodgy verification methods. You can oppose to it then you exclude yourself from the society. For ex. having a loan, having a credit card, entering into a legal contract etc etc.
    TimS

    By :
    TimS
    - Posted on :
    23/05/2012
  • TimS you confirm for ME that I am an individual perhaps different from the rest. I am not inclined to wander around in the same direction as people like you seem to be, I am me, and I will not accept that I need to have a card to produce to tell me and every one else who I am and where I come from.

    We fought to be FREE and we will again fight to be free. I do not want YOU or anyone else to "understand" me or any one else. I have never had to prove to anyone who I am in many, many years,in fact I can't even remember when. I gave up standing in queue's at airports or trotting around the continent of "Europe" a while ago and am happy to wander around the UK at will and not havng to produce on demand.

    By :
    Anne Palmer
    - Posted on :
    23/05/2012
  • Try a quick search using Google for these terms and do some research into the origins of the EU and see if you like the idea of it after you find out it was the Nazis that wanted a single currency and Federal United Europe. We have basically everything and more of what the Nazi party called for in their own documents which you can download and read.

    Please search and read them for yourselves.
    Sear terms:

    "EUroRealist Germany1942"

    "EUroRealist Germany1942 WirtschaftGemeinschaft"

    eu-facts dot org

    silentmajority dot co dot uk/EUroRealist/Germany1942

    It is treason and unlawful for the UK to be an EU member, look at Magna Carta and the British Constitution, although not in a single codified document we do have a constitution and it has been violated many times.

    By :
    Forgotten History?
    - Posted on :
    24/05/2012
  • These IDs will be much more convenient... for criminals!

    See the successful fooling of a RFID scanner at an airport watch?v=0u4pg_XwNk8 or at a government building watch?v=4jpRFgDPWVA or stealing credit-cards watch?v=GjOduug-SC8 (youtube)

    Want remedy? www . instructables . com/id/Make-a-RFID-Shielding-Pouch-Out-of-Trash/or permanently watch?v=c0vZigwn09I

    By :
    Spirulina
    - Posted on :
    24/05/2012
  • There are some important issues that people need to understand:

    1. When official in the EU, including Viviane Reding, refers to electronic signatures, they actually mean digital signatures, not electornic signatures. For a primer, see: http://www.stephenmason.eu/e-evidence/

    2. I wrote a paper, at the request of the EU, on revising the eSignature Directive. I urged that electronic signatures and electronic authentication of identity should be separated: http://script-ed.org/?p=327

    3. A passport is not a document that proves the person in possession of the document is who they claim to be. It is a document to permit the person names on the passport to travel. Try asking a government to accept liability for the passport they issue as proof of identity, and see what response you get. See the article by Nicholas Bohm and me, ‘Identity and its verification’ Computer Law & Security Review, Volume 26, Number 1, January 2010, 43 – 51: http://www.stephenmason.eu/articles/

    Stephen Mason

    By :
    Stephen Mason
    - Posted on :
    24/05/2012
  • It s the incremental converging of power that is dangerous. This kind of I.D. could easily be a step for financial control as cash is fazed out, and then bank-government would have control over the world. We have already seen what such power leads to... absolute tyranny. People should be alarmed and fight this at every level.

    By :
    R Stone
    - Posted on :
    24/05/2012
  • Oh dear, Forgotten History? I lived in and made that kind of History. I read "Germany 1942 WirtschaftGemeinschaft" and still have a copy filed away. I lived through that war and, "Forgotten History, I think I now know your real name too.

    I visited East and West Berlin when "The WALL" was still up and I could give you a vivid description of it -every detail- if you so wish for I remember vividly every moment of that visit.

    I know also what it is like to be bombed to HELL and I do not want to go through that again either. As for your last sentence. I have tried twice in my lifetime to bring charges of Treason to those that swear faithful and true allegiance to the British Crown yet put the European Union Treaties before their Crown and Country, and sadly, I have failed.

    You may note, I use my actual name perhaps as a challenge and in the search for truth.

    By :
    Anne Palmer
    - Posted on :
    24/05/2012
  • It is all leading to the Mark of the Beast.

    Revelation 13:16-18
    And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

    And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    By :
    M. Jensen
    - Posted on :
    24/05/2012
  • No! Nien!Non!........is there one of these words you don,t understand?

    By :
    the misfit
    - Posted on :
    24/05/2012
  • HA HA HA HA

    An unelected, unwanted, corrupt, organisation filled with greedy politicians, bankers and civil servants want my personal details and goodness knows what else, so they can keep an eye on me.

    YOU HAVE TO BE JOKING.

    When the EU is a completely transparent, much, much smaller and DEMOCRATIC organisation that exists with the consent of all European citizens, I may think about it.

    By :
    Sue
    - Posted on :
    24/05/2012
  • I think you all need to relax. This article is written in a deliberately provocative way and, in my view, misrepresents what is happening.

    Kroes/'the Commission'/'Brussels' is not trying to impose anything on anyone. There will be some sort of legislative proposal shortly, and ALL that means is that a legislative debate will happen between the (many) EU institutions and committees and interest groups. What new legislation comes out of this debate, if any, will NOT be the same as the initial legislative proposal. After all stakeholders have had their say there will be a great many compromises and the final outcome will likely be a very watered down and wishy washy series of new commitments.

    So, all you people who have taken this article at face-value: CALM DOWN.

    By :
    Oliver
    - Posted on :
    25/05/2012
  • Oliver. I realise under normal circumstances that some sort of e-identity could be a boon but the days of trusting the EU are definitely over. They have proven time and time again that they do not always do things in our best interests. Energy saving bulbs for instance which contain mercury. Just read our government instructions for what to do if one breaks.

    Breaking laws (especially their own) hardly causes a ripple and we know that they are greedy for cash for the project. What's to stop them abusing such a system and using it for deducting fines, taxes, penalties etc? It's a step away from a microchip implant. Co-operation from the electorate requires trust. THEY ABSOLUTELY DO NOT HAVE MINE... I don't even want to be in this club. Nobody asked me, I didn't consent to be part of it. I will never consent.

    The EU will hopefully implode pretty soon and we can all get back to being plain Europeans without these bloodsucking parasites.

    By :
    Sue
    - Posted on :
    25/05/2012
  • We have a government that still believes IT is "Sovereign". At least, that is what it tells us they are. Will the people ever elect any one of the THREE MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES EVER AGAIN? You see, most of the people now recognise that ALL THREE MAJOR POLITICAL PARTIES WANT TO REMAIN IN THE EUROPEAN UNION and WANT FOREIGNERS TO MAKE ALL THE LAWS. They still want their "wages" and vast Expenses" though as if THEY are governing. The EU may become one Great State of European Union. The English Channel will become as a wide river running between the Continent of Europe and the now 12 Regions of the European Union, that the LibDenCons have put in place through the EU’s Localism Act.

    However, what the Government believes and what the people know are two different things because as "sue" writes above, the British people have never once agreed to any EU Treaty before it was accepted or Ratified, and we all know the lies told by a British Prime Minister before that first Treaty was ratified. And certain people want a memorial to him and our great Westminster Abbey!!!For ink to be thrown over that too!

    This Government knows the high feelings of this Government's involvement in the EU, we might even lose our place in the UNSC for the EU wants to "speak with its once voice in there. However, before that happens, as the people of this Country have never betrayed their Monarch and THEY are the ones that are sent to fight to keep this Country soverein so that no foreigner ever governs THIS COUNTRY either through Treaties or war, this government if it does not act soon, will indeed find out the real truth that it is the people of this Country that are indeed "sovereign" and have always been so, for it is the people that use their vote.

    By :
    Anne Palmer
    - Posted on :
    25/05/2012
  • I have still got my ID card from the last war, if it was good enough for that war, it will do for me in what we thought was peace and in an EU that was allegedly all about bringing people from all over the continent of Europe “Together”. If simple ID cards did then and were used for the terrible atrocities that took place then, there is absolutely no need for further information on other methods, my old ID card will do for me now. Never, never again must Identities Cards etc ever be able to be used to sort out people to and end their lives in the Gas Chambers. Why don’t any of you in power learn from the past?

    By :
    Anne
    - Posted on :
    25/05/2012
  • How many times have you watched a detective program where the suspect is tracked by the use of the their credit card, or mobile phone.
    What details does the supermarket know about you from their store cards.
    I welcome a ID card for the following reason my medical condition demands imediate action, an ID card could have useful medical information on it.
    The main fault with this ID system is allowing a private firm access to it.

    By :
    martin bemment
    - Posted on :
    25/05/2012
  • Anne. Our government knows precisely what is happening. I have tried desperately for months to talk some sense into my MP and he gives me the same old bull.

    There will be a reckoning. The people are getting angry and if you think Greece is bad, just wait until Britons are pushed too far.

    For those of you who have not yet read it, try "The Great Deception" by Richard North & Christopher Booker. It will enlighten you.

    By :
    Sue
    - Posted on :
    25/05/2012
  • If you are in doubt read this :

    The European Union (EU) the New Soviet Union (NSU)

    http://bit.ly/LvyKi8

    By :
    Sue
    - Posted on :
    25/05/2012
  • I have said I will never have an EU Identity Card, or a UK Identity Card as required by the EU for a once Sovereign British Government that the people, the ordinary people of this Country gave THEIR lives for in 1939-45 that these so called Leaders in the present UK Parliament Buildings could live in FREEDOM.

    I want and hope to live long enough to see charges made against those that choose to put foreigners and EU TREATIES they have ratified without the people's agreement regarding those Treaties, before their own people and Country, bearing in mind that the greatest of all betrayals is violation of those faithful and true Solemn Oaths of Allegiance that each make to the Bitish Crown which stands for all the people in this land and this unique Country.

    By :
    Anne
    - Posted on :
    25/05/2012
  • Given the number of data security breaches within UK government departments now, most of which are in breach of UK and EU data protection laws there is no way I trust any government to be able to keep my data (and remember that the data is mine, not the government's) secure.

    So, no.

    By :
    Korenwolf
    - Posted on :
    27/05/2012
  • I am writing in my capacity as European Commission spokesperson for the Digital Agenda and this e-Identification and e-Signature file. Thank you to Oliver and Stephen Mason for your clarifications, and to all I want to provide an assurance and further clarity.

    This article is misleading and the headline is wrong. As we were not offered the chance to contribute to the article, I will do so here.

    This initiative has been long flagged in the Digital Agenda for Europe, the Single Market Act and it has been prioritised by the Council as a practical contribution to wider 'Stability and Growth' policy. So there is no secret agenda.

    To give you a clearer sense of what this is about:
    the proposed Regulation will ensure mutual acceptance of electronic identification schemes (eIDs), e-Signatures and related online trust services. The sorts of groups it will help include citizens moving or marrying abroad, students, small businesses, medical patients.

    But it will not, for example, oblige EU member states to introduce national identity cards, nor would it introduce a European ID system or force individuals to obtain an ID card or passport. It will also not link national databases or prevent individuals from using the internet anonymously.

    Essentially this is a proposal that would allow people who have eID to maximise its potential within the EU.

    I will do my best to answer specific questions over the coming days, but I hope further Euractiv articles are less sensationalist and that Neelie Kroes is actually given the chance to comment.

    By :
    Ryan Heath
    - Posted on :
    28/05/2012
  • Ryan Heath's response would appear to be reassuring but I am not enbtirely convinced. He may well believe exactly everything he has written and that is what his bosses might have led him to believe. I know that, under Blair in the UK, terrorist legislation was introduced and abused by police and politicians alike. The best simple example was when an old man, Walter Wolfgang, heckled Jack Straw, the Home Secretary at a Labour Party conference and was removed by the police in an unneccessrily forceful manner and arrested under this same legislation. It was also used by local councils for tracking dog owners whose dogs had fouled in public places. These matters start as reasonable looking requirements and soon become adapted and abuse by our so-called elites. By the way, they are not elite. I worked for a water company and spent much time at sewage treatment plants and I am here to tell you that it is not just "elites" that float to the top!

    By :
    Don Latuske
    - Posted on :
    28/05/2012
  • It would be just about OK to keep records of EU citizens if one were allowed to opt out of EU citizenship.

    More seriously, this is just another databank - the EU has too many already - with access to too many people.

    Do citizens know how easy it is to get hold of and forge their identities?

    By :
    Carol Harlow
    - Posted on :
    28/05/2012
  • Thank you Rylan Heath for your help and explanatory
    words. For others that like to roam here is that , "Digital Agenda for Europe"Ryan wrote about.
    http://ec.europa.eu/information_society/digital-agenda/index_en.htm

    The greatest problem for us-I think, and I write for no one else but me- is that never once since 1972 have the people of this Country been told the truth by those we have elected and PAY, about what they have signed this country up to through EU Treaties.
    What they may have done here in the UK and the method of explaining to the people, it may well be contrary to the United Nations rules of ratification of Treaties that are eventually lodged with them.

    Now when those in temporary power do that, what might have been a good idea in Countries working together voluntarily, but never ever signing Treaties that deliberately lies have been told to the population and the very first lie was through the very first Treaty, and sadly there was no internet to check up on then and YES, we were foolish enough to believe and look up to those we once trusted.

    The British people can never accept deeper and more meaningful integration into to the European Union. We have to go our separate way because our own Constitution forbids what is happening now and yes, there are laws that protect our 600 year old, very long Standing Common law Constitution for which those, in those far off days when those in places of trust acted contrary to that Constitution, lost an important part of their body.

    Far better for our own Government to realise that it is time to withdraw and repudiate those Treaties, rather than the people do it, because the VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE NOT WITH THEIR GOVERNMENT ANY MORE.

    By :
    Anne
    - Posted on :
    28/05/2012
  • (I am the European Commission spokesperson on this topic).

    This is definitely a tricky issue, and I suppose that no matter how carefully constructed there are some people for whom no government is trustable enough and no database secure enough to warrant action of this kind.

    But I would also say that making it possible to use an eID across borders is little different to the possibility of using your bankcard across the EU; could you still imagine that your credit card was only usable in your own country?'

    As the European Union doesn't keep databases about citizens this definiitly is not a problem or issue related to this proposal. In fact, this proposal changes nothing in existing eID systems, nor will it create new ones. It only opens up the possibility for people and companies to use their national eID abroad , thus creating much more value for them. Potentially governments can benefit by reducing paperwork when providing services to citizens of other EU MS.

    Think, why should you travel for registering as a foreign student if there is Internet; getting permits and paperwork done locally with many unnecessary steps, waste of time, risk of inaccuracies, extra costs to you and the service providers is dumb government.
    It is 2012 - forty years after we went to the moon - and yet most cross border activity is still marred by paperwork: invoicing, contracts, signatures, time stamping. There is something wrong if we can land people on the moon but not supply paper clips to next door governments without hassle.

    We have acted to create interoperability in other tech markets. eGovernment should not be an exception.

    By :
    Ryan Heath (European Commission)
    - Posted on :
    29/05/2012
  • I like a bit of hysteria with my coffee in the morning – do you? The synchronised whinning about governments & ID rather misses the point. Example now follows. Tesco: a supermarket (loyalty card), bank, mobile phone operator, insurance (all types) and virtual broadband provider. Ditto “Virgin” (albeit without the supermarket) A significant portion of people in the UK have supermarket cards or take multiple services from a single provider. Such companies know almost everything about you (your friends, where you go, how much you earn, how you spend etc etc). Funny that this is never mentioned/discussed.

    Of course it goes without saying that such corporate databases are penetrated by a given government’s security services. Raising the interesting question – why bother with ID cards and why bother getting hot and bothered about them.

    I do not have “loyalty cards”(??), I prefer to pay cash and I do not use “a single provider” for multiple services. Those that do have, frankly forfeited the right to whine about government e-ID because everything that is worth knowing about them is already known.

    By :
    Mike Parr
    - Posted on :
    29/05/2012
  • Dear Ryan, This is EurActiv's editor, Frédéric Simon, here.

    I am writing in response to your comment, posted on 28 May, in which you wrongly accuse EurActiv of having neglected to contact you for comment prior to publication of this article.

    I regret to have to contradict you but this is entirely false. I have checked with the reporter on this story, Francesco Guarascio, and he confirmed to me that he did contact you, on two occasions.

    He first sent you an email on 16 May asking for a comment on the e-identity issue and whether this would pose problems for countries like the UK, which don't have ID cards (I have a copy of this email if you want).

    He then spoke to you directly at the midday press briefing the day before publication of the article asking for comment (on Friday 18 May since we don't publish during the weekend).

    I think these offered ample chances for the Commission to react.

    I hope these facts will further enlighten our readers about the lively exchange above.

    Regards,

    Frédéric SIMON

    By :
    frederic
    - Posted on :
    29/05/2012
  • I have a correction to make. I've checked and it's correct that I received an email about eID on 16 May (see Frederic Simon's post)
    This email would not have allowed me to give a full response to the issues raised in the article, and it was received while on leave, but I concede that I did receive it, and apologise for not replying to the journalist. (As this article was bylined "euractiv.com" rather than in the name of the journalist, who also happens to work for two different organisations, I was not sure this email related to this article)

    My general concern on the article remains, because mutual recognition is very different to harmonisation and certainly totally different to forcing anyone to take up eID.

    By :
    Ryan Heath
    - Posted on :
    29/05/2012
  • At the risk of inflaming things further, I would like to add that any article entitled "Brussels wants..." automatically suggests less-than-perfect journalism.

    What is 'Brussels'? Anyone who lives/works here quickly learns that there are very many different institutions, agencies and other stakeholders whose views contribute to any final legislative outcome. After reading the full article it's clear that the author really means 'The Commission' and more specifically Neelie Kroos, but the references to 'Brussels' persist throughout the article. In my view, this kind of language serves to near-automatically inflame the passions of Eurosceptics in the UK and elsewhere...the comments above being good evidence of this.

    I read EurActiv every day and the language is usually more balanced than this. I expect to see articles this deliberately 'provocative' in publications like European Voice. EurActiv: Please do not go down that road, or you will lose readers like myself.

    By :
    Oliver
    - Posted on :
    29/05/2012
  • Ah, it seems like Brussels' suicidal tendencies have reached a new apex, it wont be long before their Bastille will face a bloodthirsty mob, on that day, u can find me in the back of the crowd, selling torches&pitchforks.

    By :
    peter
    - Posted on :
    30/05/2012
  • I really don't know which bit of my comments "Peter" failed to read, but you can keep your pitchfork locked up, because this is not a threat to anyone.

    It's like saying you oppose people being about to use their credit cards when they go on holiday. And I would hate to accuse anyone of being as ridiculous as that.

    Ryan Heath
    Commission Spokesperson for Digital Agenda

    By :
    Ryan Heath
    - Posted on :
    30/05/2012
  • All hail the new facsist superstate.

    STAND UP AND RESIST if you like your privacy.

    By :
    Illuminotty
    - Posted on :
    30/05/2012
  • And what Dear Brussels, is the penalty if citizens of National States have no desire, perhaps do not want, and definately refuse to have or recognise an e-identity.

    People in the United Kingdom do not have to carry any ID Card. I certainly will never accept a National ID card never mind an e-indentity. If war is declared here, yes I will have one but it will have to be a National ID card. By the way, just for your infomation here was my letter rejecting the EU citizenship in 2003.

    Address Removed
    7.4.2003.
    To The Rt Hon David Blunkett MP
    Dear Home Secretary,

    European Citizenship and renouncing it.

    For the purpose of this letter, I follow the meaning that ‘Nationality’ and ‘Citizenship’ are one and the same as suggested in the European Convention on Nationality shown immediately below.

    (2) Most countries of Central and Eastern Europe use the term "citizenship" which has the same meaning as the term "nationality" used in the Convention and by most Western European States.

    The only way to access the citizenship of the Union is by having one of the Member States nationalities. In other words (at the moment) it is not possible just to be a ‘European’ citizen. I have no knowledge if this position will remain though, should the EU take on its ‘state-like’ trappings?

    It has been suggested through the debates and “contributions” in the Convention on the Future of Europe that ‘dual’ citizenship should be applied. Most certainly there have been many words on “bringing the citizens closer to the Union”, ‘ more involvement by citizens’ etc, and an emphasis on more deeper and meaningful citizenship of the European Union.

    Commissioner Vitorino said, (European Parliament 4th September 2002) “it (EU citizenship) neither replaces not conflicts with national identity, but rather complements it”, further on he goes on to say, “I fully agree that the concept of European citizenship must be implemented in all its dimensions, be they political, administrative, judicial, social or economic. We have reached a position in which citizens’ rights are, in the Member States of the Union, broadly respected, but in which there is still some legal discrepancies and practical obstacles to the full expression of European citizenship. We must further strive to resolve these discrepancies and obstacles, which prevent the citizens from enjoying their rights as European citizens.” He then goes on to emphasise the importance of giving the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights the binding legal status so much needed to bring the citizens closer to each other, etc. (See also Romano Prodi’s speeches)End of quotes

    The letter covers far more points, -I do not do short letters- but it makes clear I am not and will never accept having European Union Citizenship. It is too high a price to pay for it represents the total loss of our Country, its Constitution and its own Government.

    By :
    Anne
    - Posted on :
    30/05/2012
  • hi Ryan - we have quite a few trolls following this - which means that your measured response are wasted - you might just as well bash your head with a brick. Nobody responded to my comments on loyalty cards (which provide far more info on a citizen that ID cards) this suggests that most of the people posting comments are more interested in "venting". To the Uk trolls - why not write to your MPs with respect to the double passport controls at Brussels Gard du Midi and St Pancras - or would that be tooo sensible, or perhaps you don't care about your taxes being hosed away???

    By :
    Mike Parr
    - Posted on :
    30/05/2012
  • Yes. Stuff your citizenship. I am a freewoman of England and as such refuse to abide by any of your regulations and statutes. As far as I am concerned they are not lawful. The UK is still a sovereign nation. The British Government has no mandate for handing over the sovereignty it exercises ON BEHALF OF THE BRITISH PEOPLE WITHOUT THEIR CONSENT, a right which has been denied us.

    By :
    Sue
    - Posted on :
    30/05/2012
  • Ryan/Mike Parr

    I don't do loyality or debit cards either. I don't trust the British Government now that they are answerable to the EU. They are not governing in our best interests but in the interests of the Eurocrats and their vision of Eutopia. Why is it when Europhiles come across resistance to their schemes they resort to name calling?

    Presumably these EU identities will be optional, in which case, I decline. If they become compulsory, don't even bother trying to convince us that we still live in a democracy.

    By :
    Sue
    - Posted on :
    30/05/2012
  • Just a thought on e-identities. Suspects of crime, and prisoners have to use electronic devices, their thumb prints and/or all their finger tips. Is that really what they want from us too?

    By :
    Anne
    - Posted on :
    30/05/2012
  • I believe that is the ultimate goal. There are already a myriad of databases containing our data. All they really have to do is add biometrics to the cooking pot, network all the databases throughout Europe and we have a fully fledged police state watching our every move.

    By :
    Sue
    - Posted on :
    30/05/2012
  • Completely unacceptable particularly if it is issued by an UE-institution without democratic legitimacy.

    By :
    Johan Sterk
    - Posted on :
    30/05/2012
  • I visited several web pages but the audio quality for audio songs existing at this web page is in fact excellent.

    By :
    DragonVale New Dragons
    - Posted on :
    18/06/2012
  • Whatever legislation starts from the European Union -our Government's Government- the people some British people of this Country have voted for-will present any Legislation that starts its Journey in the EU WILL BE TRESENTED AS ITS OWN.

    This also applies to the present Coalition Government in a Bill presented by Ms May, as what we now know as "The Snooper's Bill" going through Parliament now. I state here for all, IF YOU DO NOT FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOMS-YOU WILL LOSE THEM FOREVER.

    All those in our Parliament that vote FOR for it, betray all those that gave their lives fighting for OUR freedom in 1939-1945. In the last war, no one minded letters opened etc in those days, and we were glad such security was activated-they got used to letters being opened to and from our serving Forces, and some-times words completely obliterated. That was in WAR TIME, a full scale war here in the UK from the bombing. Friends and relations here one day, gone the next. No one minded the security THEN, and that legislation ceased at the end of that war when we were free from danger of being Governed by Germany at that time, BUT WE ARE NOT AT WAR NOW ARE WE? Thousands of our Forces died for our FREEDOM and thousands of innocent men, women children and babies died in the bombing.

    They did not die so that modern day Politicians can just allow foreigners TODAY demand a British Government allows those in the EU access on what should be private access to our friends and relations etc. NO TERRORISTS ACTIONS CAN KILL THE AMOUNT OF BRITISH PEOPLE THAT GAVE THEIR LIVES THEN FOR OUR FREEDOM TO GOVERN OURSELVES ACCORDING TO OUR LAW.

    British Governments should govern this Country according to its long standing Constitution that a previous generation gave their lives for, or stand down and let the people vote only for those that want the same freedom that our Forces gave THEIR lives for.

    IF YOU DO NOT FIGHT FOR YOUR FREEDOM 'TODAY'-YOU WILL CERTAINLY LOSE IT "TOMORROW". All that is proposed here is absolutely Contrary our very own Constitution, our Bill of Rights 1689 and Magna Carta.

    If our Government does not obey the EU legislation it can be "fined". I suggest they say "NO" and pay the fine out of the £1.8 billion expected spend over 10 years from 2011/12.

    DIRECTIVE 2006/24/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 15 March 2006 on the retention of data generated or processed in connection with the provision of publicly available electronic communications services or of public communications networks and amending Directive 2002/58/EC
    http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2006:105:0054:0063:EN:PDF
    There are others of course. But I am sure you all know your own Bill of Rights 1689.

    By :
    Anne
    - Posted on :
    18/06/2012
Hintergrund : 

An electronic identity can be confirmed through certificates and e-signatures. In general terms, an electronic signature is any identification or signature in electronic form. This can range from a scanned signature to a Personal Identification Number (PIN).

The e-signatures Directive merely states that an advanced electronic signature “uniquely links the signature to the signatory”. But so far, only certain digital signatures meet these requirements.

A digital signature consists of the use of a pair of two different but linked keys, a private and a public key. The private key (only known to the owner of the signature) is used to ‘sign’ a message. A recipient can verify the signature by using the sender’s public key (available to all). A certificate links the signature and the signatory and identifies the signatory. Certificates are issued by recognised certification authorities.

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