Poland on collision course with Brussels over ‘illegal’ coal plant

Cheers to Poland for actually creating 1.8 gigawatts of reliable affordable energy for its prosperity and truly greening the planet by restoring a bit of the anabolic half of the respiratory cycle of life rather than waste their resources defiling tens of thousands of hectares of their landscape with bird choppers incapable of supplying such constancy .

Just tell the anti-life watermelons to ruin their own countries .

Tony , I didn't say it does . See my http://CoSy.com for the basic physics . You can't get it from the watermelons . There is no field of applied physics anywhere nearly as retarded as planetary temperature .

Clearly changes in CO2 concentrations sufficient to sustain green life have at most a barely detectable effect on our spectrum and therefore our mean temperature .

However , the additional molecule per 10,000 of air we're seeing is , not surprisingly , visibly greening the planet as seen from satellite : http://www.csiro.au/en/Portals/Media/Deserts-greening-from-rising-CO2.aspx .

There is a lot of discussion over what is the effect of Carbon Dioxide on Temperatures, and if Carbon Dioxide was responsible for climate change, then why did the World warm up in 1820 after over 200 years of unusual cold, and this is discussed at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age .

If Carbon Dioxide was heating up the Planet, then the Northern Hemisphere would be pumping as much Carbon Dioxide into the atmosphere to have warmer winters, otherwise those Leaders of the Cold Winter Countries would be Traitors to the People, and might be on Trial for Treason for not wanting Warmer Winters.

This is all the Evidence we need, because Warmer Winters means lower heating costs for a Country, and it allows Crops to be grown for a longer time during the year, and so if Carbon Dioxide was responsible for Increasing Global Temperatures then the Other Hemisphere would be pumping Carbon Dioxide into the atmosphere.

The Truth of the Matter is that deforestation is what has been going on since the beginning of the 20th Century till our day, and Governments who are known to Lie on Occasions do not want to reforest the Planet because this will cool the Planet, and the Leaders of the World Suspect because of Scientific Research that the Human Race cannot survive with Trees, and they know that the Human Race cannot survive without Trees, and so they do not know what to do.

I am of the Opinion that the Secret Scientific Research that the Human Race cannot survive with Trees is flawed, and if the Human Race is in this Condition, then it is better to have Trees, because if the Planet cools, then the timber can be used for heating.

The real Global Climate Problem is deforestation, and the Solution is to Spend Money to reforest the Planet, rather than to Conduct Wars, and the Mafia Style Emissions Trading Scheme is just a Money Laundering Scheme for Western Politicians and their Rich Plutocratic Masters who Fund the Elections of their Puppets.

I want to say that I believe in Climate Change, and we all know that there are 4 Seasons in a year, and History tells us that Climate does change, even when you cannot Falsely blame Carbon Dioxide, and it would help if People first read the Article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age .

While any Relevant Factor that can influence Global Temperatures contributes to Climate Change either good or bad Climate Change depending on where you are and what type of Climate Change comes your way; the Climate does Oscillate, even without changes to the Carbon Dioxide Levels in the atmosphere.

This has been PROVED by recent Recorded History at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age , and this time Please Read the Historical Scientific Evidence Article if you have not done so as yet, and you will discover that there are Many Factors that have an Influence on the Climate.

However, there is One Factor that is Deliberately Ignored by those who blame Only Carbon Dioxide, and that is the Effect on Climate Change because of Global Deforestation, because this is Global, then it Must Be a Major Factor for Climate Change either good or bad Climate Change depending on where you are and what type of Climate Change comes your way.

Al Gore who we know was Vice President of America, might have had Tutoring on the Ways of Deception, and Al Gore is not a Scientist, and he has made 1 Billion Dollars Profit from Book and Film, and his Book is called An Inconvenient Truth, and there could be People who know that some Political Speak can be Deciphered, and they may think that Al Gore's Book should be called A Convenient Lie.

This is because some People might think that having an Extra Billion Dollars in the Bank is Convenient, even if you have to Lie for it, while others might think that an American Politicians is FAR TOO PURE to ever tell even one little LIE.

If anyone is being Paid, then it would be those who are who Sponsor the Myth that Carbon Dioxide is a Pollutant; whereas the Fact is that Carbon Dioxide is a Vital Plant Nutrient that is making the deserts bloom, and just type the words "carbon dioxide making the deserts greener" into an Internet Search Engine and you will find Much Information on this Matter such as http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2013/07/130708103521.htm .

The Western Plutocrats have made their Western Puppet Politicians Lie to People that Carbon Dioxide is a Serious Problem, and Scientists who want work have had to go along with this Lie that is sheltering us from Secret Scientific Research that the Human Race cannot survive with Trees and that the Human Race cannot survive without Tress, and so the Scientists and Governments do not know what to do, and I will provide Scientific Evidence for this.

We know that Experts have described a Rain Forest as a Desert with Tress on it, and History tells us that the the Sahara Desert was once a Tropical Rainforest at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sahara .

The Trees bring up water from the ground, and this goes into the Atmosphere and this produces Clouds especially inland, while we know that evaporation from the Ocean creates Clouds over the Oceans, and this does cause rain on Coastal Regions, but these Clouds rarely last long enough to rain too much or often enough in many inland regions.

Clouds reflect the sun's rays, and reflect a significant amount that heat back into outer space, and this causes Global Cooling, and a Cooling Planet means that the heating costs of a Country will increase in Winter, and so Countries who are importers of Energy can Bribe Western Politicians not to plant Trees, and to Invent a Mafia Style Emissions Trading Scheme which can be used Launder Dirty Money from the proceeds of Crime, and can be used by the Plutocrats and their Western Puppet Politicians to Cheat on their Taxes.

If Carbon Dioxide was heating up the Planet, then the Northern Hemisphere would be pumping as much Carbon Dioxide into the atmosphere as they could to have warmer winters, otherwise those Leaders of the Cold Winter Countries would be Traitors to the People, and might be on Trial for Treason for not wanting Warmer Winters.

This is all the Evidence we need, because Warmer Winters means lower heating costs for a Country, and it allows Crops to be grown for a longer time during the year, and so if Carbon Dioxide was responsible for Increasing Global Temperatures, then the Northern Hemisphere would be pumping as much Carbon Dioxide as they could into the atmosphere.

The Truth of the Matter is that Deforestation is what accelerated since 1850, and this is the time that the Earth began to warm at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation .

Regarding the Rate of Deforestation Wikipedia says: "Global deforestation sharply accelerated around 1852. It has been estimated that about half of the Earth's mature tropical forests—between 7.5 million and 8 million km2 (2.9 million to 3 million sq mi) of the original 15 million to 16 million km2 (5.8 million to 6.2 million sq mi) that until 1947 covered the planet—have now been destroyed. Some scientists have predicted that unless significant measures (such as seeking out and protecting old growth forests that have not been disturbed) are taken on a worldwide basis, by 2030 there will only be 10% remaining, with another 10% in a degraded condition. 80% will have been lost, and with them hundreds of thousands of irreplaceable species. Some cartographers have attempted to illustrate the sheer scale of deforestation by country using a cartogram. Estimates vary widely as to the extent of tropical deforestation. Scientists estimate that one fifth of the world's tropical rainforest was destroyed between 1960 and 1990. They claim that that rainforests 50 years ago covered 14% of the world's land surface, now only cover 5–7%, and that all tropical forests will be gone by the middle of the 21st century. A 2002 analysis of satellite imagery suggested that the rate of deforestation in the humid tropics (approximately 5.8 million hectares per year) was roughly 23% lower than the most commonly quoted rates. Conversely, a newer analysis of satellite images reveals that deforestation of the Amazon rainforest is twice as fast as scientists previously estimated. Some have argued that deforestation trends may follow a Kuznets curve, which if true would nonetheless fail to eliminate the risk of irreversible loss of non-economic forest values (for example, the extinction of species). A 2005 report by the United Nations Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) estimates that although the Earth's total forest area continues to decrease at about 13 million hectares per year, the global rate of deforestation has recently been slowing. Still others claim that rainforests are being destroyed at an ever-quickening pace. The London-based Rainforest Foundation notes that "the UN figure is based on a definition of forest as being an area with as little as 10% actual tree cover, which would therefore include areas that are actually savannah-like ecosystems and badly damaged forests." Other critics of the FAO data point out that they do not distinguish between forest types, and that they are based largely on reporting from forestry departments of individual countries, which do not take into account unofficial activities like illegal logging. Despite these uncertainties, there is agreement that destruction of rainforests remains a significant environmental problem. Up to 90% of West Africa's coastal rainforests have disappeared since 1900. In South Asia, about 88% of the rainforests have been lost. Much of what remains of the world's rainforests is in the Amazon basin, where the Amazon Rainforest covers approximately 4 million square kilometres. The regions with the highest tropical deforestation rate between 2000 and 2005 were Central America—which lost 1.3% of its forests each year—and tropical Asia. In Central America, two-thirds of lowland tropical forests have been turned into pasture since 1950 and 40% of all the rainforests have been lost in the last 40 years. Brazil has lost 90–95% of its Mata Atlantica forest, Paraguay was losing its natural semi humid forests in the country’s western regions at a rate of 15.000 hectares at a randomly studied 2-month period in 2010, Paraguay’s parliament refused in 2009 to pass a law that would have stopped cutting of natural forests altogether. Madagascar has lost 90% of its eastern rainforests. As of 2007, less than 1% of Haiti's forests remained. Mexico, India, the Philippines, Indonesia, Thailand, Burma, Malaysia, Bangladesh, China, Sri Lanka, Laos, Nigeria, the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Liberia, Guinea, Ghana and the Ivory Coast, have lost large areas of their rainforest. Several countries, notably Brazil, have declared their deforestation a national emergency. The World Wildlife Fund's ecoregion project catalogues habitat types throughout the world, including habitat loss such as deforestation, showing for example that even in the rich forests of parts of Canada such as the Mid-Continental Canadian forests of the prairie provinces half of the forest cover has been lost or altered."

Governments who are known to Lie on Occasions do not want to reforest the Planet because this will Cool the Planet, and the Leaders of the World Suspect because of Scientific Research that the Human Race cannot survive with Trees, and they know that the Human Race cannot survive without Trees, and so they do not know what to do.

I am of the Opinion that the Secret Scientific Research that the Human Race cannot survive with Trees is flawed, because Some Scientists (SS) will say what they are Paid to say, and if the Human Race is in this Condition, then it is better to have Trees, because if the Planet cools, then the timber can be used for heating.

I am also of the Opinion that those who have Vested Interests, and who Control the Western Governments and their Main Stream Media would even resort to destroying Coral Reefs to push this Global Warming Myth of a Problem, Compared to the Real Problem of Deforestation.

I want to say that Many in the Environmental Movement are not complicit with this, but are Deceived, because the Western Plutocrats Green or the Western Plutocrats Dirty Money is the Only 'Green' Concern to some Politicians.

The real Global Climate Problem is Deforestation, and the Solution is to Spend Money to Reforest the Planet, rather than to Conduct Wars, and the Mafia Style Emissions Trading Scheme is just a Money Laundering Scheme and Tax Evasion Scheme for Western Politicians and their Rich Plutocratic Masters who Fund the Elections of their Puppets.

Mr Barnaby - er why?

and as far as rather strange posts go the very long one one by Mr Journalist makes my point about weird postings quiet well - "Through the Looking Glass" springs to mind

Mr Barneby:

"There are many around the world who believe that manmade emmissions contribute little to the current climate change and global warming. There argument is that climate change is a natural phenomina that man has no control over"

So these people would be scientists would they? Published papers to support this "belief" that you could point to?

"It is said that in southeast Asia where lots of rice is grown in vast areas of paddy fields , that the evaporation of the water creates gasses that damage the ozone layer , thus causing global warming "

Mr Journalist has a fair point about forests/de-forestation - and offers no solutions. Exactly two societies-countries have successfully re-forested in the recent past: Japan in the Shogunate and Germany. Pity Mr Journo did not mention that.

So a reduction in the ozone layer causes global warming? Really? Are you sure about that? What do you base this on? Any peer reviewed articles on the subject?

Mr Barneby you refer to "proof" with respect to climate change.

As you know mathematics is able to prove rigourously certain formula (angles triangle in a plane = 180 degrees).

Science uses hypotheses, empiricism and theories. Coupled to peer reviewed papers this allows us to arrive at workable/useable views and theories on "how the world works".

Your first para is palpable nonsense but probably fits with your somewhat skewed view of the world. Mine sits with the 97% & counting of scientists who have published peer reviewed papers (on the subject of global warming) that do take the view that global warming is a) happening and b) is casued by human action. My credentials are largely irrelevant (apart from the ability to read & understand).

In the case of Poland, Euractive have documented the gaming that Poland does with respect to the EU ETS. The current coal-stattion saga is merely a continuation of this gaming.

There are some of us who Care about the Planet, and who consider that is it worth proving sufficient Information in the Hope of Saving the Planet.

The Reason I provided what Wikipedia had to say, was because some Critics who have been too lazy to Investigate the Historical Scientific Facts, and they cannot Slanderously Accuse Wikipedia Research of not taking their medication.

There is a lot of discussion of Carbon Capture and Storage, and we all know that Trees capture Carbon Dioxide from the atmosphere, and keep the Carbon which is stored in the Wood, and they release Oxygen into the atmosphere.

This is also true of other Vegetation, and Tress and other Vegetation, along with rivers and ponds, provide food, water, and habitat for Many Species of birds, animals, and insects.

The Question is why have All these Scientists and Environmental Politicians who are against Reforestation of the Planet and therefore the Saving of the Planet for All Life on it, been the Only ones that the Western Main Stream Media have been Promoting?

We will have to Assume that it was Ignorance that they Always Excluded Global Deforestation from being one of the Significant Factors, but they are no Longer Ignorant, and so we now know their Intentions for this Planet.

This is because something as Colossal as Global Deforestation cannot be Ignored, and I believe the Evidence Proves that Global Deforestation is one Significant Cause of Climate Change, and This is Something that Humans have the ability of Control.

If those who were Supposedly Concerned with Carbon Dioxide in the atmosphere and of Saving the Planet, would talk about Reforestation of the Planet rather than wasting Money on Wars.

There are a few Possible Explanations for this, and some of those Reasons are that the Environmental Politicians are Completely Ignorant on the Environment, or that they are Complicit with the Plutocrats.

I am of the Opinion that those who have Vested Interests, and who Control the Western Governments and their Main Stream Media would even resort to destroying Coral Reefs and Sea Anemones to push this Carbon Dioxide Climate Change Myth of a Problem, Compared to the Real Problem of Deforestation at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deforestation .

I have no Proof of this, but I know the Track Records of those who have More Human Nature than the Average Person to put it Mildly and Diplomatically, and Website on this are at http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-20/scientists-warn-sea-anemones-are-vulnerable-to-bleaching/4900230 , and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coral_bleaching , and Some Scientists (SS) know what Chemicals could do this.

There could be People who think that Some Scientists (SS) are working on Genetically Engineered Lethal Viruses that can kill 99 % of the People of the World in less than a week, and then finding the Vaccines for those Genetically Engineered Lethal Viruses, and they could be right, because Technology does Advance.

These People might further think that Government Prioritize Funding for Scientific Research, and they just do not have any Money Left for studying Global Deforestation, or even to Fund Global Reforestation.

As it has been Proved Over and Over again, that there are Many Factors that are Completely Beyond the Ability of Humans to Control at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age .

I am of the Opinion that the Scientific Research that says that Humans cannot survive with Tress or Vegetation is Flawed, because Albert Einstein said that if bees ever disappeared from the Earth, then Humans would have only 4 years to live, and we know that Tress and Vegetation Provides Food and other Products for Humans.

That 97% number sounds like and is like the reported vote for Dear Leader in a dictatorship . It is patently stupid propaganda . Were it true , how can you explain all the astronauts and other NASA personnel who are disgusted with the politicization of their once great agency : http://a2.img.mobypicture.com/8e1234d649766adfef528feb438395b9_large.jpg ?

My mantra on this nonscience is "show me the physics" . The level of math and physics I see in the blogsphere is amateurish to be kind .

Well Ronnie,
I'm enjoying watching your fellow Americans suffer drought conditions in many states (it is particularly satifying watching the Texans suffer) - and as global warming strengthens you can expact more drought - and at some point a significant part of continental USA will be unihabitable. I don't suppose this will change your attitude - but you may be glad to know somebody somewhere is watching "you lot" suffer & frankly enjoying it - given the happiness the USA tries so hard to spread throughout the world one senses fates hand.