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EU will lose Turkey if it hasn't joined by 2023, Erdoğan says

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Published 31 October 2012

The European Union will lose Turkey if it doesn't grant it membership by 2023, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said on Tuesday (30 October).

It was the first time Erdoğan has given an indication of how long Ankara might continue down the path towards EU entry, and his comments came at a time of growing alienation between Turkey and a political entity it feels has cold-shouldered it.

Turkey's bid to join the EU, officially launched in 2005, has virtually ground to a halt in recent years due to opposition from core EU members and the failure to find a solution to the dispute over the divided island of Cyprus.

Asked during a panel discussion in Berlin on Tuesday night if Turkey would be an EU member by 2023, Erdogan answered, "they probably won't string us along that long. But if they do string us along until then the European Union will lose out, and at the very least they will lose Turkey."

The Turkish republic will mark its centenary in 2023.

The predominantly Muslim but secular country of some 74 million people would strengthen the EU, Erdoğan said. Some 6 million Turks already live within the EU, about 3 million of them in Germany, he said.

German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who Erdoğan will meet on Wednesday, opposes full EU membership and favours a privileged partnership instead, although Foreign Minister Guido Westerwelle supports Ankara's bid.

Speaking at the opening of Turkey's new embassy in Berlin, Westerwelle criticised the impasse in accession talks. "It is bad for both sides and next year, we want to make a new beginning to overcome this standstill."

Earlier this month Turkish Economy Minister Zafer Çağlayan scoffed at the EU's winning the Nobel Peace Prize and condemned the bloc as the most hypocritical organisation in the world, saying it had "kept Turkey waiting at its door for 50 years."

Turkey has completed only one of 35 policy "chapters" every accession candidate must conclude. All but 13 policy chapters in Ankara's negotiations are blocked and the European Commission, the EU's executive arm, says Turkey does not yet meet required standards on human rights and freedom of speech.

EurActiv.com with Reuters

COMMENTS

  • Wow, that is just incredible. The very own words or Erdogan show why Turkey shall never be in the EU, and the fact that he does not see this strengthens this argument even more.

    By :
    BeataS
    - Posted on :
    31/10/2012
  • no it doesn't. And the fact that you don't see this weakens your credibility even more.

    By :
    rok
    - Posted on :
    31/10/2012
  • I just don't see statements like this one "helping" Turkey or moving the discussion forward. Sounds more like threats to me, not very European indeed. They should concentrate on closing chapters and not giving ultimata.

    By :
    BeataS
    - Posted on :
    01/11/2012
  • In fact it does show that Turkey is not ready. Making ultimatums is never a good sign if one is looking for a relationship based on mutual respect. Hopefully the AKP will understand some day that entry requirements exist for a reason.

    By :
    Daniel
    - Posted on :
    01/11/2012
  • I read with great interest this article about Turkey's EU-membership visioned at 2023 at the earliest (if I understood well the ratio behind the "ultimatum" words of Mr Erdogan)

    To make it clear, I am in favour of a Turkish EU membership and I dedicated some thoughts to that issue. In my recent blog entry, I've foreseen Turkey's EU Membership for 2027. Why? I made calculations for the next 15 years. As I wrote:

    "Neither the EU nor Turkey are ready and capable to a marriage, yet. The lack of political will is more than obvious on both sides. Turkey’s population is almost equivalent to the most populous EU member states’ figures. Turkey’s territory and its huge military capacities make him at least an equal partner of the French-German tandem in an age when the third major EU player, the United Kingdom’s fidelity to the EU is at least uncertain. And the other two major EU powers (Italy and Spain) are deeply run into dept. On the other hand, Turkey realized its emerging importance and the European integration (which is certainly part of the Atatürk heritage) is not of the utmost importance for it anymore.

    In my opinion, Turkey would be an EU member state in 15 years only if both sides broke up with the reluctant behaviour and made a clear and fair political message: the aim is a Turkish EU Membership and only its timing can be questioned. Full stop."

    IF you are interested, the whole text is available here:

    http://massay.kosubek.zoltan.dinstudio.com/diary_1_46.html

    I remain at your disposal.

    Zoltán MASSAY-KOSUBEK

    By :
    Zoltán MASSAY-KOSUBEK
    - Posted on :
    01/11/2012
  • Well,
    the first question is Turkey in Europe ?
    second question: can Europe afford to allow more than 70 million people to join when there is such unemployment already ?
    third question : Is Turkey respecting human rights ?
    fourth : Is there freedom of speech in Turkey ?

    For me there 4 NOs ...

    By :
    Europeanman
    - Posted on :
    02/11/2012
  • Main article: Geography of Turkey

    WIKIPEDIA SAYS

    Topographic map of Turkey
    European Turkey (eastern Thrace or Rumelia in the Balkan peninsula) comprises 3% of the country.
    Asian Turkey (made up largely of Anatolia), which includes 97% of the country, is separated from European Turkey by the Bosphorus, the Sea of Marmara, and the Dardanelles (which together form a water link between the Black Sea and the Mediterranean).

    By :
    Europeanman
    - Posted on :
    02/11/2012
  • Here are my answers:

    1. Froem geographical point of view, the European part of Turkey is greater than the size of several EU Member States (including the population living there)m not to mention the strategic and symbolic situation of Istanbul
    From a population point of view, cca. 5 million Turkish people are already EU citizens (the two most relevant minorities are in Bulgaria and almost 3 million of them are situated in Germany)

    2. Yes, Europe can afford 70 million people to join. If Member states were afraid they could apply restrictions as they did in respect of the 10 and 2 latest Member States. However, Turkey is merging and in 15 times it can offer maybe more workplaces within its territory due to future investment made by other Europeans companies in Turkey and Turkish companies in Europe not to mention future opportunuties an accession would open outside of Europe

    3-4. In this case I would amend your answer to 'Not entirely, yet.' This is the area where Turkey has to do its homework.

    I remain at your disposal.

    By :
    Zoltan MASSAY-KOSUBEK
    - Posted on :
    02/11/2012
  • 1. 97 % of the country is in the Middle-Eastand only Istanbul is in the extreme eastern part of Europe and Turkey culture is not european...
    If you can count the citizens living in Europe to say a country is european, then Algeria,Morocco,and Tunisia are also europan countries and many more African countries...

    2. I disagree as turkish will flow in europe and obviously accept lower salaries and sell cheaper goods without any controls.

    3-4. I agree and of course there is the kurdish problem and cyprus situation.

    best regards

    By :
    Europeanman
    - Posted on :
    02/11/2012
  • have a nice weekend Zoltan...

    By :
    Europeanman
    - Posted on :
    02/11/2012
  • have a nice weekend Zoltan...

    By :
    Europeanman
    - Posted on :
    02/11/2012
  • have a nice weekend Zoltan...

    By :
    Europeanman
    - Posted on :
    02/11/2012
  • Europeanman, the ideas in your messages are reflection of some mentality in EU. with all due respect to you, that mentality deserves strong criticism.
    1. you are neglecting the progression in nations' history. look at the today's EU countries like Spain, Malta, Cyprus, Romania, Bulgaria, Baltic countries. If you look where they are today, the values that are added by the perspective of EU membership will be catching the eye. But if you look into their cultures only 2-3 decades back, you will see much different values.
    And I got news for you :) one does not need to be member of EU for progression.
    2. Confining the EU only to geography does not reflect the whole value of EU as a project. But if you chose to do so, you would have difficulties to explain how European are the land/people of Cyprus, Greece, Spain, Malta, Southern Italy.
    Today's definition of what is European and what is not, is strongly politically biased. This is not much different from the propaganda on the English men that they fought against the Huns of steps when they fought the Germans in WWII.
    3. the relation between "ultimatum" and politics of EU countries: in which segment of history do you live, sir? EU position against Turkey is surrounded by a field that is "mined by ultimatums".
    4. you are right about the HR record of Turkey. I give you that.
    5. THe Cyprus issue is much more complex than how it is presented by EU politicians. Individual EU countries' interest against Turkish presence in Eastern Mediteranean only drives the parties on the island further from each other.
    My personal view about Turkey's membership: today some of the EU countries' positions are determined also their individual interests. Turkish firms are competing against the EU firms in emerging markets, Turkish state is competing in international politics against the EU countries. Some EU countries expect that Turkey gives up her interests in exchange for a support from those. It is impossible for Turkey to please everybody unless she gives up essential benefits in international business and politics. And the teaching to EU citizens, how non-European Turkey is, how they are Asian nation, etc strongly conflicts to the progression of the nations I mentioned above. Bottomline, this can happen not today but only in a different conjuncture where there will be strong win-win for multiple parties involved. Erdogan's message about 1923 is aimed for domestic politics, it cannot be taken seriously looking into membership history of other countries. He knows that this is not going to happen in this conjuncture.
    regards.

    By :
    erc an
    - Posted on :
    07/11/2012
  • EU will lose Turkey if it hasn't joined by 2023, Erdoğan says.

    We can only hope.

    By :
    steve austin
    - Posted on :
    10/11/2012
Background: 

The EU opened membership talks with Turkey in October 2005, but a number of stumbling blocks remain on Ankara's road to EU accession, in particular concerning its relations with Cyprus, but also freedom of expression and human and minority rights.

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