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Published 05 October 2012, updated 09 October 2012

Greece has tabled a draft memorandum of understanding apparently aimed at seeking a solution to its long-standing name dispute with EU candidate Macedonia. But EU diplomats expressed disappointment at its content, which doesn’t appear to make new proposals.

The draft memorandum, published Thursday (4 October) on the Greek foreign ministry website, repeats diplomatic language already used in bilateral documents, stressing that both sides would commit to respecting each other's national sovereignty and territorial integrity, and renounce any present or future territorial claims.

In a direct reference to what is widely seen as appropriation of ancient Greek history by Macedonia (see background), it calls for both sides to agree that they would refrain from actions or statements that risk undermining the negotiations, “including through the use of symbols constituting part of the historical or cultural patrimony of the other.”

A fresh impetus?

Finally, the draft says that the sides would “agree to give a fresh impetus” to the talks to solve the name dispute under the auspices of the UN – despite years of efforts by a UN mediator to find a solution.

An EU diplomat said he saw “nothing new” in the Greek paper and that it was broadly seen as a “disappointment”.

Greece and Macedonia have been locked in a dispute over the smaller country's constitutional name since it became independent from the crumbling Yugoslavia in 1991.

On the name issue, the Greek paper says that “any proposal should contain a clear and definitive qualifier”, which “will leave no ambiguities as to the distinction between the territory of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia and regions in neighbouring countries, in particular, the region of Macedonia in northern Greece, and that the name agreed upon will be used by all erga omnes and for all purposes.”

Erga omnes” means using the name to be agreed in "relations with everyone," thus rejecting the notion that a name "for internal use" could be kept.

Speaking to the United Nations 67th General Assembly in New York last month, Greek Foreign Minister Dimitris Avramopoulos said Greece believed in a “fair settlement” resulting in a name with a “geographical qualifier” given that Macedonia is a geographical region that overlaps the territories of Greece, Bulgaria and the former Yugoslav republic.

‘Northern’ or ‘Upper’ Macedonia?

Diplomats have been speculating whether “Northern Macedonia” or “Upper Macedonia” could be acceptable to both sides.

According to the Macedonian daily Dnevnik, the authorities in Skopje said they would respond positively to the Greek memorandum, but also give their own version.

It remains unclear if Greece would lift its objection for Macedonia to start accession negotiations with the EU, in the case the memorandum is signed, even if the talks to find a mutually acceptable name still drag on.

Greece has itself set a priority for its EU presidency during the first half of 2014 “the revitalisation and acceleration of the enlargement process of all countries of the Western Balkans, including that of the former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia.” 

According to one EU diplomat, Greece may be tempted to unblock the accession talks with Macedonia, by signing the memorandum, just to “keep happy” its EU family. But he added that it was not in the interest of the Greek government to add to the public discontent with a compromise on the name issue, which would be seen by the country’s nationalists as an outrage.

Wasted time?

The timing of the memorandum apparently would help the European Commission to reaffirm Macedonia’s EU perspective. On 10 October the EU executive is due to publish its yearly reports on the progress – or lack of such – of the EU candidates and hopefuls: Iceland, Turkey, Macedonia, Croatia, Montenegro, Serbia, Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina and Kosovo.

The EU Commission issued a recommendation to start accession negotiations with Macedonia in December 2005. Since then, in the absence of the Greek veto - at least in theory - Macedonia could have wrapped up the negotiations. Croatia, another former Yugoslav republic, started accession negotiations in 2005, completed them in 2011 and is due to join the EU on 1 July 2013.

All 12 new EU members from the 2004-2007 waves of enlargement were able to conclude accession negotiations in less than six years.

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COMMENTS

  • IN THE NEW EUROPE OF THE PEOPLES OND OF THE REGIONS THERE WILL BE ONLY ONE MACEDONIA, AND EVERYTHING WILL BE AS AN OLD CRAZY PAST, A PAST WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN BROKEN IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE END OF WWII AND WHICH INSTEAD IS STILL WRONGLY ALIVE.

    "The problem that must be resolved first, failing which any progress is nothing more then mere appearance, is the definitive abolition of the division of Europe into individual sovereign nation-states."
    Altiero Spinelli, Ernesto Rossi, Eugenio Colorni, Manifesto di Ventotene, 08/1941

    www.losio.com/rue

    By :
    gastone
    - Posted on :
    05/10/2012
  • Greece denies the very existence of its 50,000 strong ethnic Macedonian minority, yet is a member of good standing with the EU.

    Macedonia does not need a new memorandum of understanding with Greece, it needs one with the EU ... this time including the right of Macedonians in Greece.

    Greek values = EU values ... there's the rub!

    By :
    David Edenden
    - Posted on :
    06/10/2012
  • ustrian K.Gersin in 1903 claimes:1,182,036 Macedonians
    228,702 Greeks
    627,915 Turks
    English Andrew Rousos:1,150,000 Macedonians
    300,000 Greeks
    400,000 Bulgarians.
    Above figures are Independent and Neutral European Statistics of Macedonias Population.
    The term Greece is using to distinguish the Macedonian idiom of "Macedonian Slavs"is erroneous since the Macedonians,although conscious of their ancient Macedonian roots and Slav admixture,did not specifically call themselves "Macedonians Slavs",but Macedonians as the documents over the last 2,500 years show.The same"Macedonian Slavs"mistake was again repeated by some western media,as the Albanian terrorists attacked Macedonia in March of 2001,and again it was done deliberately.
    Dr.Ostreich,Gersin,and Roussos,are only a few of the many neutral authors to prove the groundless speculations of the Balkan countries.They proved that Macedonia belongs to a separate nation,which proves that the Bulgarians and Serbs have than simply substituted the numbers of the Macedonians for theirs.Another Austrian,Karl Hron explained why that is unjustified:
    "According to my own studies on the Serb-Bulgarian conflict I came to the conclusion that the Macedonians looking at their history and language are a separate nation,which means they are not Serbs nor Bulgarians,but the descendants of those Slavs who populated the Balkan peninsula long before the Serb and Bulgarian invasions,and who later did not mix with any of the other two nations..."and the Macedonian language according to its own laws in the development of the voices, and its own grammatical rules,forms one separate language".
    As I indicated,the first population figures are biased,wheras the second figures are from neutral historians.
    It is a proof,the Macedonians are not Serbs,nor Bulgarian,nor Greek,but Macedonians!
    NATO and EU as well as UN cannot allow Greece and Bulgaria to fabricate history of the Macedonian people!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    07/10/2012
  • My comment from beginning was not printed on this site due to I quess bein too long.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    07/10/2012
  • Macedonia, why can't both be satisfied.
    Macedonia, is a country unto itself and Greece has Macedonia, is a region within its self.

    By :
    Michael Kadin
    - Posted on :
    07/10/2012
  • The macedonians are in fact former bulgarians. Some of them don't admit it. This is sad, very sad..They will soon become citizens of Great Albania, which will solve the name dispute. And again this is sad...

    By :
    Emanuil
    - Posted on :
    08/10/2012
  • Emanuil,just remember,the Macedonians are the oldest people in the Balkans(Meditarean peninsula).
    Your comment is most idiotic notion.Even though,Macedonia was left with nothing since independance they are most progressive nation in Europe.Macedonia is not the begger as our neighbors are.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    09/10/2012
  • Peter it is time for you to face reality, you maybe mean the ancient macedonians are the oldest people in Europe...the "modern" macedonians had nothing to do with them. My comment is the TRUTH, idiotic are the theories of the "macedonian historians" and please stop with this joke,it can help only inside FYROm not in the real world.And for your information the ancient macedonians were indo-european people...the oldest peoples of Europe were not. The indo-europeans came later...

    By :
    Emanuil
    - Posted on :
    09/10/2012
  • I do not answer to insults
    Read my website if you have any interest in my position.
    www.losio.com

    By :
    gastone
    - Posted on :
    09/10/2012
  • Emanuil,read Alinei's findings. If you base history according to the Greeks and those who are paid by Greece,than thats fine.The truth is,Greece has fabricated history,just look who wrote Greeces history,Prince Otto the Austrian for his own glorification as the king of Greece.Dr.Thomas Arnold was right in the 19th century about the glorification of Greek legents.
    Let me give you some statistics on the Macedonian population;
    Greek,Nikolaides 1899=Macedonians 454,000,
    Serbs=0
    Bulgarians=0,
    Greeks 656,300,
    Turks 576,600.
    Bulgarian, Kenchov 1900=Macedonians 0,
    Serbs=400,
    Bulgarians 1,037,000,
    Greeks 214,000,
    Turks 610,365.
    Serbian,Gopchevic 1886 Macedonians=0,
    Serbs 1,540,000,
    Bulgarians 0,
    Greeks 201,000Turks 397,020
    Above statistics are biased by Greek,Bulgarian,and Serb.
    The following statistics are independent and neutral European Statistics of Macedonia's population;
    German,Dr.Ostreich 1905 Macedonians 1,500,000
    Serbs=0
    Bulgarians=0
    Greeks =200,000
    Turks=550,000
    Austrian K.Gersin 1903 Macedonians=1,182,036,
    Serbs=0,
    Bulgarians =0
    English,Andrew Rousos,Macedonians=1,150,000,
    Serbs=0
    Bulgarians=0,
    Greeks=300,000,
    Turks=400,000.
    You can see how the biased reporting,and you can see the neutral reporting.You can't base history on those who are falsifying and and not take in the ones who are neutral.As for Gaston,I suggest you read;"Black Athena"also what professor's Athena Skoulariki's comments where she says;"Greece is tangled in a strategic dead end.In the course of the last 16 years we have lost one battle after another and still have not seriously considered what we are doing wrong.Why is the outside World not supporting the Greek thesis on this issue?Why after so many years of trying has Greece not succeed in convincing the international public?"asks professor Skoulariki.
    According to Skoulariki the Greek arguments are not convincibg because it is a fundamental right of all people to freely choose their name.We insist that our neighbor has no right to use the name Macedonia,ignoring the fact that during the 19th and 20th century there was a wide region called Macedonia".
    Emanuil,I suggest to you,read what one of the founders of USA John Adams said in 1783,July 14th.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    09/10/2012
  • Peter, more than 50 different people and tribes crossed or settled the Balkans including the region Macedonia. They also participated in the formation of the modern DNA of the modern "macedonians". You never speak of them because they did't have a famous guy as Alexander the Great. This is very selective. But hiding behind his back(he by the way pretended to be greek and spoke greek)will not solve your nowadays problems. Macedonia is geography, region where many people lived and still live. But the modern macedonian nation was created in 1944. This is not so bad...if you prove to be better and more progressive than the previous nations, which you unfortunatelty didn't.The only progress in Macedonia is made by unemployment. The americans, whom you like so much are also a new nation but they don't pretend to speak "american", they say we speak English. And they don't try to prove that they are the first nation.They just made a better place for living.You didn't...

    By :
    Emanuil
    - Posted on :
    09/10/2012
  • Peter I have a question for you. In these "neutral" statistics I don't see albanians. Where did they come from nowadays? Why half of the population of your capital city Scopie is ethnic albanian? Who liberated the city from the Ottoman turks? The albanians in FYROM are also fabricated? Or they are real? You can not lie me...or the scientific world. You can only lie you children, which is a shame...

    By :
    Emanuil
    - Posted on :
    09/10/2012
  • This man Peter @ is an old man born in greece as he says,before ww2 and has no contact with reality he just makes paste copies from nationalistic diaspora ! Ask him to give you the original bibliography from the european slavists ethnographers 1903-6 ( not the falsified lists from fyrom diaspora) but the originals, to examine if ,in these "independent statistics"...it is written the name "macedonians"? or maybe " macedonian slavs"? and 2nd if in those numbers for the slavicmacedonian population is included one distinct nation or all the south-slavs living in macedonia ottoman province (serbs -bulgarians) with a common name "macedonian slavs" he will never give the original link since he has only the falsified list and does not know the all topic with cencus for more information see THE REAL Turkish census of Hilmi Pasha in 1906, in the web

    By :
    mitsaras
    - Posted on :
    09/10/2012
  • Emanuil,The statistics of Macedonian population in 1905,1903,1899,1900 and 1886 was not produced by a Macedonian.These statistics merely show how biased historians were,mainly on the Greek,Bulgarian and Sernian side.The results from the neutral historians is completely different,and I might add more truthfull.
    Emanuil,I see you are an Albanian,I sence it from your comments.
    Are you realy don't think there are Macedonians in Albania?.Did you read anything about the sencus in Albania?
    Back to the statistics in Macedonia;Yes,Greeces population is 40% Albanian since ancient times.In 338bc Athens was 40% Albanians.The problem is in 1856-58.The largest newspaper then was in Albanian whoes editor was poisoned by the Greeks.This is the time the language was changed from"katherevusa to dimotiki".This new language had to be learned from birth to death.The Albanians in Greece had to change their names and religion,the same they have been attempting with us the Macedonians.For your information,the president of Greece is Albanian(Papulias)formerly Sulayman.Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia are not forced to do the same as in Greece.
    Emanuil,the notion of Skopje being half Albanians is only your dream my friend.Please,don't fall in the Greek footsteps.As for Macedonians in Albania,Mala Prespa is Macedonian that was given to Albania in 1913 by the Big Powers,Germany and France.Emanuil,have nice day!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    09/10/2012
  • Emanuil..",Greeces population is 40% Albanian since ancient times.In 338bc Athens was 40% Albanians "!!!!!hahaha !!! Thucidedes was an albanian if you dont know it Perikleous epitaph was in albanian language ..FOR THE ALBANIAN emigrants ..as i have told you this man Peter is a lunatic...his post is the prove .he has not mental contact with what you are asking him but he says only what he has in mind this time if you replt to him on the next post will be about demosthenis to philip .he is mad .no need to reply .the acient greeks use the logo for the man who the gods want to punish "ΜΩΡΑΙΝΕΙ ΚΥΡΙΟΣ ΟΝ ΒΟΥΛΕΤΑΙ ΑΠΩΛΕΣΑΙ" he is one of them μωρός in real terms !!!

    By :
    mitsaras
    - Posted on :
    09/10/2012
  • Mitsaras,during the Ottoman Empire the sencus was taken by religion,same as Greece does today to cover the truth of different ethnics.
    Here is the truth;"E Makedoniki glossa stin apografi plithismou tou 1920".Here is the document Mr Mitsaras the one you are denying to exist.It is in the Greek language written by Dimitri Lithzoou;
    Ti 19th Dekemvriou 1920 pragmatopiithike e geniki apograpsy tou plithismou tou ellinikou kratous ke ton ellinon epikon pou vriskontan stin allodapi.E apografi avti itan proti pliris katagrafi ton katikon ton neon eparhion tou ellinikou vasiliou(ke ton idietoron haraktiristikon tous)kathos e"Aparithmisis ton katikon ton neon eparhion tis Ellados"pou diexihthi apo ton elliniko strato to Septemvriou tou 1913 parihe mono plirofories gia ton arithmo ton katikon ana ekismo ke diakrisi kata filo.
    To apograftiko deltio to opio hrisimopiithike perielamvane erotimata gia to onoma,to eponimo,tin elikia,ton topo gennseos,tin epikotita,ti dimotikotita,tin ekogeniaki katastasi,tinekpedevsi,to epaggelma e tin pithany anergia,haraktirismo ton tiflon ke ton kofalalon ke plirofories gia ta meli ton ekogenion pou ehan metanadtevsis sto eksoteriko.Episis epirhan idieteres erotisis gia ti thriskia ke ti glossa ton apografenton.The first question was;Pion ene
    to thriskevma sou;An ese Hristianos na grapsis ke to dogma es to opion anikis,dil.an ese orthodoxos,shismatikos,katholikos e diamartiromenos>"
    E de erotisi gia ti glossa ehe os exis;Pia ene i mitriki sou glossa dil.pia ene e glossa tin opian emathes apo mikros ke tin opian omilis is tin ekian sou.Ean i mitriki sou glossa den ene e elliniki,gnorizis ke tin Elliniki;(ne e ohi).
    This is only part of the subject matter Mitsaras.This sencus that was taken in Aegean Macedonia was never published.All others in Greece proper was published.Why do you think that was?
    Mitsaras,have a nice day!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    09/10/2012
  • Mitsaras,it is very dificualt to deffend Greeces fabrications.Is it not true that 27 out of 57 Prime Ministers of Greece were Albanians and one Koutsovlahos?.Please, tell Emanuil the truth.Fabrications are very hard to defend Mitsaras.
    The poisining of the Albanian editor in 1856-58 is a fact,It is a fact that Athens in 338 bc was populated by 40%Albanians,today it is more than 45% Greece populated by Albanians.Are Papulias and Pangalos not Albanians,is this what you are trying to tell Emanuil,Mitsaras?Don't you have any shame to continue with fabrications?.Come on man,tell the truth,and stop with you claim"Macedonians are Bulgarians".When Macedonia existed there was no Bulgaria or Serbia.This is all propaganda because Greece is falsifying historical facts.Remember,Greece never existed before 1829.There were City States,not Greece.Your claim of 4,000 years history is a dream(mythology).Mitsaras,Emanuil is smarter than you think.You can manipulate history,but you can't manipulate peole that know history better than you do!
    Mitsaras,once more have a nice day,and don't loose slip over this.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    09/10/2012
  • Emanuil,I don't pretend Macedonia is pure as the Greeks claim.Today in Macedonia live Macedonians,Albanians,Roma,Bulgarians,Serbs and others,but they all have equal rights.As Nikola Gruevski said"I work to improve lives for all our citizens".That suits me fine!
    Republic of Macedonia has best relations with Kosovo and Albania with mutual respect.It is Greece who feels the fly buzes around their heads knowing full well Aegean Macedonia was given to them by Germany and France,and all because they did not want Russia to come down to the Meditarean sea.That was the decision in 1913.
    Mitsaras is not an honest broker my friend.Greeks are the best in the World for fabrications,they proved it to the Eurozone.Sarkozi was right,but late by saying"if I knew brfore,Greece would not have joined the Eurozone".Too late Mr. Sarkozi,Greece will take you and your Eurozone to the toilet because they know how to fabricate!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    09/10/2012
  • in today's greece, people are the same nation as those who build a civilization around aegean sea some thousands years ago.
    people in modern macedonia are not the same nation that lived there thousands years ago. they are actually slavs. no they are greeks. but actually they are bulgarians.
    ridiculous responses to people who say they are macedonians.
    greece is so concerned that they will have to give their northern regions to the nations who originally owned those.
    btw, does any body have resources as to the amount of non-greek people massacred during greek civil war by british/american backed militia of greece? this should also be brought to the table if the greeks are going to talk about their rights in the region.
    greece is the spoilt kid of EU who will never grow. modern greek borders were drawn to stop russia from north and turks from east. as long as greek state acts up to this role, money will flow from EU and greek lies will be repeated to the world by european media.
    when the truth starts to be told, we will hear more about the middle-eastern and egyptian roots of modern greek nation. but for now this is a shameful thought for the greek nation.

    By :
    e r c
    - Posted on :
    10/10/2012
  • erc,you are wrong on three points.
    First,Greece does not exist for 4,000 years.Ancient Hellens were a mixture of Ethiopians and Egyptians in bc.Secondly,there was no Greece as a nation.
    Second item is,the Macedonians were the protoslavs who fought the City States in 338 bc.Here is the difference between Greece and Macedonia,Macedonia was a nation under a monarchy-kingdom as Isocrates put it in the letter to Philip the barberian as they were called by the Athenians.
    Thirdly,there were no waves of Slavs arriving to the geographic Macedonia in the 6th century as the Greeks claim.Read the findings of Alinei on the subject of a notion of slavs arriving at a later date.His DNA proves that the proto-slavs went outward,not inward.
    Furtheremore,the Greeks love to fabricate history by naming the Macedonians as Slavo-Macedonians which is not true.They love to reffer to us as Bulgarians.Well,when Macedonia existed,there was no Bulgaria.Greece does this to cover themselves on the fabricated history that was writen by an Austrian prince by the name of Otto.As a newly appointed king of Greece he elacted to glorify himself with the ancient Hellenic history.For the first time Greece became a nation in 1829.Greece before this date did not exist,period!They did not even had a common language,this is why in 1856 they decided to formulate a new language for the people to learn it from birth to death.The language that was spoken before was 40% Albanian and the rest was Latin.
    Here is an example how Greece lies to the World;Andrulla Vassiliou is the EU Commissioner for Education,Culture,Multilingualism and Youth.She said;"We celebrate all the languages that are spoken within the EU on this day whether they are national,regional languages or minority languages or languages spoken by immigrants"A blatant lie!
    Why than Greece has forbiden the Macedonian language of nearly 1,5 million indigenous Macedonians in Greece.
    Even the Greek church got involved to destroy a newly opened Macedonian Radio Station in Ovcharani(Melitis).
    Who are the best fabricators in the World?I must give it to the Greeks,they deserv it!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    10/10/2012
  • Peter: You should become enlightened as to true historical and contemporary facts, and stop bastardizing and bending the truth to further your own propaganda of a illbegotten, fabricated, separate macedonian culture, history, identity separate and disticnt from a macedonia which has always belonge to Greece and the hellenic culture.

    By :
    Alexandermacedon
    - Posted on :
    10/10/2012
  • Alexander,I am surprised by you using"macedon".
    Karamanlis said one time that he is Macedonian.We all know,his ancestors were Turks but Orthodox religion.The only blood in his vanes was his grandmother who was Macedonian and spoke not one word of Greek.He also suggested that the Pontious were the true ancient Macedonians.The population exchange between Greece and Turkey was done on religious bases.Furtheremore,former Minister for external Affairs Droutsas said"I am born Macedonian and will die Macedonian"These are famous words for a born Cypriot,father Cyoriot and mother Austrian,don't you think?.When one distords facts like Karamanlis and Droutsas,can you imaging the lies that are told by the Greeks on the history,and most reasontly the lies to the Eurozone with cooked financial books to get into the Eurozone?.This type of pattern has been used throughout Greeces existance.Even French president Sarkozi said"had I known this,I would not allowed Greece into the Eurozone".Of course,Greece will lie to achieve their goals,be it political,economic or history.You people don't know how to men-up and tell the truth.It is a shame!!You are telling the Jews are Chines,Norvegians are Egyptians,you are telling me that I am Bulgarian,Serbian and even Greek.Well,let me tell you,I am proud Macedonian,and Alexander the Great was Macedonian,and there is nothing you can do!!!The truth is getting into your blood streams,that gives you a blood preasure!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    11/10/2012
  • Maybe rename the region of Greece? Like "North Greece" or something. Honestly, why not?

    By :
    Mike
    - Posted on :
    11/10/2012
  • It's apalling that the European Union - in the year 2012 - is still propping up the racism and xenophobia of Greece.

    In an act of foolishness by the Nobel Committee the European Union has been awarded the 2012 Peace Prize - and yet, here is the very same European Union giving succor to Greece's practice of ethnic genocide against Macedonians. Is this the EU's idea of promoting peace?

    The United Nations is sick of the European Union screwing around with this issue. The UN court has even ruled against Greece - yet the EU still remains mute.

    NATO is disgusted by the EU's endless inability to deal with Greece's intransigence toward Macedonia as are most NATO allies. Many publicy decry the EU's dysfunction in this regard.

    This issue really does need to be internationalised, but not in the way the EU and Greece want to make it. It should be returned to the UN Court for yet another ruling and then moved to the Internationl Criminal Court.

    The practice of ethnic genocide is not something that a Nobel peace prize laureate should be promoting.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    15/10/2012
  • T.J. Winnifrith, British academic:

    FYROM was also an attempt at a multicultural society. Here the fragments are just about holding together, although the cement that binds them is an unreliable mixture of propaganda and myth. The 'Macedonian' language has been created, some rather misty history involving Tsar Samuel, probably a Bulgarian, and Alexander the Great, almost certainly a Greek, has been invented, and the name Macedonia has been adopted. Do we destroy these myths or live with them? Apparently these radical Slavic factions decided to live with their myths and lies for the constant amusement of the rest of the world!"

    ("Shattered Eagles, Balkan Fragments", Duckworth, 1995)

    By :
    George
    - Posted on :
    04/12/2012
  • Alexander,you and your cohorts don't seem to know the Greek history,let along the Macedonian.The World does not laugh at Macedonia my friends,it is Greeces claims that are laughable.Just take a look a Greek "linguist",Babiniotis, just last week in Australia suggested that the ancient Macedonian language was a "Greek"dialect.My question is to all of you the "professors"of history;a)why in 1925 at the League of Nations argued with the Serbs and Bulgarians on the issue of ethnicity and language?
    b)why did Bulgaria went to war with Greece again,and losing Thracia to Greece?
    Here is what occur at that meeting between Greece,Serbia and Bulgaria on the issue of the Abcedar book for the Macedonian school children in Greece.
    Serbia and Bulgaria opposed the book in the Macedonian language.What occurred next is truly a rare example,the Greek representative responded by defending the Macedonian language as being"Neither Bulgarian,nor Serbian but an independent language"He listed various linguists and linguistic maps as evidence to support his claim of the independence of the Macedonian language.The high ranking Greek official Vasilis Dendramis representing the Greek state not only recognized the existence of the Macedonian identity,but openly defended and supported it!
    Because Serbia and Bulgaria opposed it,they went to war once again,and as of the result,Bulgaria lost more Macedonian territory to Greece.
    My further question is;Since Greece claims,Macedonia is Greece,why did they sign the Bucharest agreement in 1913 allowing Serbia and Bulgaria to retain Macedonian territories?.
    Any normal minded person will be able to understand,but I don't expect any Greek to sway away from their mythological history,so my hopes are very limited to hear a Greek or a Bulgarian to answer this question in none fabricated facts!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    04/12/2012
Background: 

Macedonia declared independence from the dissolving Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia in 1991.

The country is an ethnic mosaic. Slavic Macedonians represent the largest group (64% of the population). Ethnic Albanians are the biggest minority (25%), with Turks (3%) and Roma (1.9%) also present.

Integrating the ethnic Albanians has proved a cumbersome process, and the country has come close to civil war. The August 2001 Ohrid Framework Agreement, brokered by Western powers, halted the brinkmanship between the ethnic-Albanian communities (organised militarily in the National Liberation Army) and Macedonian forces.

Of all the hurdles standing in the way of Macedonia's EU accession, the so-called 'name dispute' with Greece appears to be the biggest (see EurActiv LinksDossier on 'EU-Macedonia relations').

Seen from Athens, the official name used by Skopje – Republic of Macedonia – is an open challenge to the Greek region of Macedonia. In reprisal, Greece pledged to veto Macedonia's participation in international organisations, including the EU, until the issue is resolved.

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