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Published 29 November 2012

Greece's foreign minister boycotted festivities marking 100 years of Albania's independence after its prime minister hailed a town over the border as part of "Albanian lands". The European Commission declined to comment today (29 November).

Reflecting the delicate nature of Balkan politics after the wars that split Yugoslavia, the president of Macedonia also stayed away after the car of his prime minister was hit with eggs and its flag burned in Tirana during a visit last week.

Ethnic Albanians from across the region celebrated in the national colours of red and black with a 14 tonne cake and bushy moustaches to honour the founding fathers.

Albanian Prime Minister Sali Berisha's remarks were in a text he sent to a museum on Tuesday evening to mark the 100th anniversary of Albanian independence from Ottoman rule and honour the founder of modern Albania, Ismail Qemali.

In the statement, he referred to "the Albania of all the Albanian lands from Preveza to Presevo, Skopje to Podgorica".

Preveza is part of the northern Greek province of Epirus, where some ethnic Albanians lived before World War Two. Greece is Albania's second trading partner and its biggest foreign investor. Both countries are NATO members.

Skopje is the capital of Macedonia and Podgorica the capital of Montenegro, both close to Albania. Presevo is in southern Serbia close to the border with ethnic Albanian-majority Kosovo.

"Such comments do not help in fostering a climate of friendship, trust and good-neighbourly relations between the two countries," the Greek Foreign Ministry said, adding Foreign Minister Dimitris Avramopoulos had scrapped his trip over the matter.

Berisha's office sought to play down the spat, saying he was referring to the "historical context of a 100 years ago" and that did not "express any territorial claim to our neighbours in the south, north or east".

Former foreign minister Paskal Milo, a historian, also sought to play down its impact, saying whoever heard Albanians celebrating should not misinterpret their comments.

Moustaches

Nationalists in Greece and Albania had long made claims on their respective lands. But relations between the Balkan neighbours have significantly improved since they signed a friendship treaty in 1996.

Last month, however, Greece had to apologised to Albania for placing its red flag depicting a black, double-headed eagle, upside down during a visit by its foreign minister to Athens.

Albanians are by far the largest group of foreign workers in Greece - estimated at up to 800,000 in a country of 11 million people - and have been among the first to feel the hit from the deep Greek economic crisis.

Hundreds of thousands of ethnic Albanians from Kosovo, Macedonia and Montenegro partied along with Albanians in the capital Tirana and the coastal town Vlore, where independence was declared.

Some scooped chunks up of the giant cake with both hands and tossed pieces to friends and into the air.

In Kosovo, some sported moustaches to mark the day.

"I have grown my moustache to respect the men who declared independence in 1912 because most of them had moustache," said Kosovo Albanian Kreshnik Berisha in Pristina.

Albania turned into the battlefield for the belligerents of World War One and only began functioning as a state in the early 1920s.

The self-proclaimed King Zog brought order and started reforms but also led the country into the influence of Italy and he fled shortly before the Italians occupied Albania during World War Two.

Stalinist hardliner Enver Hoxha later established an isolationist communist rule for more than four decades until communism crumbled in 1990, causing an exodus of Albanians.

EurActiv.com with Reuters

COMMENTS

  • Albanians think everything is theres....

    By :
    Spyros Karagiannis
    - Posted on :
    29/11/2012
  • Albania must be joking, right? What's the point of Albania wanting MORE land when MOST Albanians live OUTSIDE of Albania? Is land grabbing and wars somekind of hobby for them?

    Wake up!

    By :
    European
    - Posted on :
    29/11/2012
  • Given that Kosovo is the only really Albanian country of those mentioned above, there's a surprising silence whenever the possibility of Albania's integration with arises.
    One wonders what would annoy the Serbs more: a recognised independent nation-state; or a proposal to merge with Tirana, to what was after all described by historians as a very minimal creation of an ethnic Albanian state back in 1912.

    By :
    David C S Bartlett
    - Posted on :
    29/11/2012
  • Greece is the only nation in the European Union that does not separate religion and state. Greece also claims some ridiculous number like 99% orthodox followers. Greece's fanatical religious dimension (like that of Serbia) is probably responsible for the percentage of the jewish population that was expelled during the nazi occupation, so it is estimated at about 95% As in economics, politics and religious harmony, greece is no example to the balkans or any other corner of the world. we wish them well, but they should no longer have any illusions.

    By :
    Michael Arvanitis
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • M.Arvanitis,you hit the nail right on the head.The problem is,the United States created a nation within a nation by allowing Kosovo to separate from Serbia.This in turn created and will create future problems in the Balkans.Can one imaging if J.Biden was taken serious on Iraq to create a three states along the line of religion as he suggested?.Can anyone not see the current problem that was created in 1913 by the Big Powers in the case of the division of Macedonia?.Greece, Bulgaria and Albania are spending more time on this issue than dealing with their economic problems.It is said,"When Balkan men talk politics,they forget to return home for lunch".Their politics are more important than food.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • Macedonians live in tri different countries: Greece, Bulgaria and Albania, thus any future projections/plans of redrawing the borders must keep this in mind. Let's settle tis nightmarish problem once and for ever. Let's revisit the catastrophic Bukuresht nightmare.

    By :
    Angela Discouri
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • Greece really needs a new Theodoris Kolokotronis. I finished reading his memoirs in Czech and seems he killed even more Albanians than Turks - sometimes even burning Albanians alive in houses and he still put that in his memoirs!! I spose Greeks are made up of ancient Greek tribles, slav due to the massive slavic invasions after the fall of byzantium and bits of Albanian, Italian and even some Turkic. The nice thing about the greek race is that after each of these invaders came, they slowly lost their language and culture and became Greek as they mixed with Greeks. Therefore the greek root survived as did the Greek language, culture, religion, diet and DNA. I spose that is why they so dangerous is business!! Never trust a Greek!

    By :
    Silvan Bushaq
    - Posted on :
    01/12/2012
  • Peter, regardting your ''created a nation within a nation by allowing Kosovo to separate from Serbia.''
    actually it would be just a new state from a multinational state - and ths is how it always has worked when people are oppressed when ruled from foreigners. Nation = ethnicity, at least for albanians, and as far as I know, serbs neither consider albanians of Kosova as part of their own nation - proof the treatment of the albanains from serbian state. Serbs had the chance to treat properly the albanians of that area, they had it for almost a century and it didn't work. tehy can't just ask another chance - it's not liek going out with a girl, dammnit - it took a century to see it dodn't work and that is enough.

    By :
    Agron
    - Posted on :
    02/12/2012
  • @ SIlvia Bushaq
    regarding your strange book in which
    ''Kolokotronis killed even more Albanians than Turks - sometimes even burning Albanians alive in houses and he still put that in his memoirs!!''
    well he was half albanian and if you know either albanain or greek you will see greek historians in this documentary saying Kolokotronis stopped himself the massacre of muslim albanians saying almost literally ''if they have to be killed , you have to kill me first'' and these historians again admitting people of modern greece in 1821 spoke mostly albanian and were forced or persuaded that being descendents of ancient Greeks was a very cool and glorifying thing.
    Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23kvAhdYgwY

    By :
    Agron
    - Posted on :
    02/12/2012
  • Unbelievable with these comments.The article is about modern claims and things out of context.These things do happen.The professors with the history lessons seriously chill guys.Who propogates this crap,DNA's your history lessons and so fourth.Guys the problem is you will never function without Hellenic offerings,Hellenic thought,Hellenic ideologies.There is no such thing as pure breeds as you propose.Everybody is mixed some way or another.Why can't you accept the world as it is?Better still take the insulated adaptations to the insulated.

    By :
    Disc
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Disc,I have pointed out who are the Greeks,Albanians,Bulgarians and Serbs.History does reflect who we are,our roots,customs,religion and language.Greeces claim that Alexander the Great was a Greek is a bunch of BULL!You say,there is no such thing as pure breeds?Well,the Greeks claim,that they are 99.9% pure Greeks.Every foreign national,including the indigenous Macedonians had their names changed to sound Greek,so are the Albanians,example;President of Greece Papulias his roots are Albanian(Sulayman),Pangalos and 40% others who are Albanians.Have you ever hear a Jew to change his/her family name?,well,in Greece they have to.Is this the Hellenic thought,ideology you are talking about?.If the Greeks had a drop of blood in their vanes from the ancient Athenians,the Athenians would turn in their graves.As for the article,Berisha has elections coming,he did go overboard by exposing himself,or better still,exposed the "Big Albanian Idea"as the Greeks have;Belgrade,Sofia and Ankara are"Greek".As for Kosovo,the Serbs fought the Ottomans invasion 6 centuries ago,there was no Albanian nation before 1913.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Argon,what is wrong with the Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia?They are not forced to change their names,they have Albanian schools,they have equal rights under the constitution,and I am sure,they are able to express themselves in their own language through out the country as any other citizen.The question is,do they see beyond their noses how good it is for them in Macedonia?The Macedonians in Greece,Bulgaria,Albania and before 1944 in Yugoslavja,specifically Serbia occupied part of Macedonia since 1913,the Macedonians were not allowed to speak their own language.In Greece,Bulgaria and Albania are not allowed to learn,or identify themselves as Macedonian nationals even today in the 21st century.Compare the freedoms of the Albanians in the Republic of Macedonia with the ones above mentioned countries.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • I'm reading Peter's comments and his UMD style (you know what I mean "Peter", don't you?) attempts to de-hellenize modern Greece and Greeks, and I piss myself laughing! Get a life dude, you can't hide your nationalistic agenda under a fake name, and not all of us Macedonians are Gruevski's fans, you know...

    By :
    Gordana
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Wow, I think their is some FYROMian revisionism going on here. The type that says every Ancient Greek: Spartan, Theban, Macedonia, Athenian, etc dies without children and Greece became empty. Than the Byzantines repopulated Greece soley with Albanians!!! Fyrom is even a bigger disaster than Kosovo simply because Fyrom is a 95% brainwashed imposter nation concerned with bitching about Greece. Ancient Greeks were not carried away by aliens and replaced by Albanians. Modern Greeks are mixed with Italians, Slavs, Albanians, Anatolian and even some Goth. Kolokotronis was not an albanian. The Arvanities - descendants of Albanians in Greece who came 300 years before were hellenized like all the other invaders and mixed with Greeks - just like all the other invaders. Greeks are proud of these mixed roots. Kolokotronis sadly was not descended from Arvanites and there was no shame in admitting it at the time as some revolutions built their whole lives on that descent. Kolokotronis famous killed many Albanians but refused to kill Greek Albanians or Alvanities in the revolution. I think it is best to read his own memoirs he wrote about his life and family rather than some block head McDonalds slavic Fyromian/Albanian youtube video on who he was.. Peter, you are human scum and I hope no stupid bitch allows you to breed with her and create more toilet scum inventing history due to your fear of Greeks and penis envy.

    By :
    Jonas Czibar
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Gordana,I feel sorry for you.You must be supporting the scams like Crvenkovski,Frckovski,Petkovski and the little Bulgarian Georgievski who have sold our people to the highest bidder-Greece and Bulgaria.Samaras bought them in 1995.I have news for you,communism is dead,so are these scams who are selling their own people to enrich their own pockets while you are dreaming.

    Jonas Czibar,I don't imply that they were carried away,that claim is used by the Greeks,and Bulgarians about the Macedonians.Here is an example of Greek propaganda and falsification of history;Just a week ago a Greek "linguist" Babiniotis held a discussion on languages at the Medical Melbourne University,Australia by saying that the ancient Macedonian language was a dialect of the Greek language.This guy is supposed to be an expert in languages.I wonder,why did Alexander the Great asked Philotas if he will address the public in Macedonian at his trial.Ancient Hellens did not understand the Macedonian language.There were over 72 Macedonian Generals that served Alexander,there was not even one Hellen in that category.Greeces claim of the Alexanders Empire as being "Greek Empire"where in fact it was Macedonian Empire.Jonas,the stupid bitch,the scum etc.you fit in it.The idea of being proud of the mixture,how do you define the 99.9% purity claim dude?
    I think,the John Adams comment of 1783 touched your nerve.The characterization is right on,just look what Babiniotis has been saying,and other Greek historians.Professor Karakasidou was right on her assumption,"why the external public does not believe the Greek thesis toward Macedonia and the Macedonian minority in occupied Aegean Macedonia."Read about it,read what Mitsotakis said in 1995,read what PM Ralis said in 1903 for the "New York Times",read black Athena,Greece without columns etc.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Are you such a brainwashed Fryomian that you dont understand that Macedonians were Hellens? Allowed to compete in the Olympics and by the 200BC all Maceconians were speaking Greek anyway? You realise you dumb fuck that Ancient Macedonian, pre Alexander artifacts have been found with writing on them and that they are 70% in Greek!! You understand that Ancient Macedonian was a dialect that Athenian playwrites made fun of in their plays because the accent was amusing to them and that they could understand it anyway? You know that difference between ancient Macedonian and Ancient Athenian was the same difference to ancient spartan languages? READ YOU DUMB COMMUNIST BITCH! Read Alexander calling himself a Greek!! READ. Ancient Maceconian was a Greek dialect. READ!! STOP studying monkey nuts fyromian youtube and READ!!! Aristotle was Macedonian! READ his language! Stop basing your lives on Alexander speaking to his troops in a Greek dialect and thinking that means Tito was right to invent a cheap imposter history for FYROM! READ kolokotronis' memoirs!! It is 100% clear you have not!! Macedonians considered themselves Hellens. Athenians consifders themselves Hellens. All these races did up until thrace. READ you fucking scum revisionist!!!

    By :
    Jonas Czibar
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • READ you dumb Titoist slavic moron!!!
    Let me give you something a little better than a youtube video, this why you can keep your record in tact of never renting a book from a library!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Macedonian_language

    By :
    Jonas Czibar
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Peter is right about the origin of modern greeks.
    I even posted a link as answer to Silvana Bushaq, it was a documentary from greek historians , in greek language. One more source, so.
    @ Peter: I think Macedonians do have those rights in ALbania. Just have no time to post real data here, but I definitely have heared about those rights. One detail: both Bulgaria and Macedonina claim those minorities, and I belive in last years those people would rather go for a bulgarian passport (or somehting similiar) which allows em to work in EU rather than a macedonian one.
    About albanians in Macedonia: I know that the Ohrid treaty wasn't fully respected, then the actual situation (relatively good overall for the albanians in Macedonia, and every albanian admits it) was acheived thanks to the fights and the pressure from albanians in that little conflict you might remember...even though we have to admit that also before the conflict teh situation, combared to historical treatment albanians in Greece and Serbia, was far better. On the other hand, the revolts of the albanians have been far softer and less aggressive.
    ..I personally ( and many albanians from ALbania) am agianst an union of Kosova and Struga with the Republic of Albania.

    By :
    Agron
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • @ Jonas
    every non bigoted historian would support Peter.
    By the way, you don't sound that intellectual. You should mind your behavior

    By :
    Agron
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Jonas,congratulations,you just joined the best fabricators of history.You and your Greek friends deserve the highest award of manufacturing false history.
    Here is a quote from professor Athena Skoulariki a sociology professor at the Crete University"Greece is tangled in a strategic dead end,in the cause of the last 16 years we have lost one battle after another and still have not seriously considered what we are doing wrong. Why is the outside World not supporting the Greek thesis on this issue?Why after so many years of trying has Greece not succeeded in convincing the international public?"asks professor Skoulariki.According to Skoulariki"the Greek arguments are not convincing because it is a fundamental right of all people to freely choose their name.We insist that our neighbor has no right to use the name Macedonia,ignoring the fact that during the 19th and 20th century there was a wider region called Macedonia".She was talking about Mitsotakis interview for the book of Skinalis"For the Name of Macedonia".If morons like yourself don't understand,there is nothing anyone can do.Once again,John Adams in 1783 was 100%right in characterization of Greeks when he wrote to the first US Secretary of State Robert Livingston.
    Jonas,I don't need the wikipedia to know my history,or the Greek history.As the old saying goes"know your opponents better in order to deal with".You stick to the wikipedia,you doing fine.But,I like to remind you what Dr,Thomas Arnold said in the 19th century the founder of the school Ethos in England suggested"fabricating Greek legents will profoundly improve the English image,more than the Greek image."David Holder was the chief foreign correspondent for the London Sunday Times.He revealed in his book"Greece without Columns"that the Greek treasured assumption is a delusion and Greek legend wishful fantasies."That is all you know,wishful fantasies!!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Argon,thanks for the support.It is unfortunate,during the Albanian census,the government of Berisha did not include the ethnic composition.There is a group of BR who did go to the Macedonian towns in Mala Prespa,they did brought some destruction against the Macedonian minority.This group is acting the same way as the Greek Golden Dawn.They too are beating up Albanians who have not changed their names to Greek sounding,and the poor immigrants as well as the indigenous Macedonians.I am not against the people of any background,I am against the ill treatment-Human Rights,fabrication of history etc.Have a nice day!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • @Peter

    Eugene N. Borza, American historian, has written multiple works on ancient Macedon and is regarded an expert on the overall subject:

    Modern Slavmacedonians, cannot establish a link with antiquity, as the Slavs entered the Balkans centuries after the demise of the ancient Macedonian kingdom. Only the most radical Slavic factions —mostly émigrés in the United States, Canada, and Australia— even attempt to establish a connection to antiquity [...] The twentieth-century development of a Macedonian ethnicity, and its recent evolution into independent statehood following the collapse of the Yugoslav state in 1991, has followed a rocky road. In order to survive the vicissitudes of Balkan history and politics, the Macedonians, who have had no history, need one. They reside in a territory once part of a famous ancient kingdom, which has borne the Macedonian name as a region ever since and was called ”Macedonia” for nearly half a century as part of Yugoslavia. And they speak a language now recognized by most linguists outside Bulgaria, Serbia, and Greece as a south Slavic language separate from Slovenian, Serbo-Croatian, and Bulgarian. Their own so-called Macedonian ethnicity had evolved for more than a century, and thus it seemed natural and appropriate for them to call the new nation “Macedonia” and to attempt to provide some cultural references to bolster ethnic survival.

    ("Macedonia Redux", in "The Eye Expanded: life and the arts in Greco-Roman Antiquity", ed. Frances B Tichener & Richard F. Moorton, University of California Press, 1999)

    Cheers!

    By :
    Alexander
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Just a quick question.
    If the Ancient Macedonians did not speak a Greek language/dialect did they speak a Slavic tongue?
    Did the generals actually say KAKOSI(hello for FYROM)to their soldiers.You guys do realise Slavs entered the Balkans 600AD.There is absolutely no record of a Slavic reference in antiquity.It fascinates me how you think,Fyrom peoples are constantly abaiting this issue,that you have been delt an injustice,Fyrom is a victim of grand proportions,if it's not the Albanians it's the Greeks,no the Turks sorry again Bulgarians.It never stops.All of a sudden you are all emirates on geneology and social clans.You seem to understand DNA and human transitions.Referencing people to suit yourselves.
    Just remember I don't think Alaxander,Phillip,Cassandra and Aristotle knew what Kakosi was.Please refrain from associating these people with something so foreign to them.We are living in a different world.It's global.Your petty thoughts as I have stated are insulated.

    By :
    Disc
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Thank you so much Disc and Alexander for re-educating Slavs who clearly studied at the National Slavic University of Youtube Propaganda and Maknews College. I realised you have to start slow with mountain slavs, so I tried to give them a wiki link on the ancient macedonian language, few more words than youtube and maknew's 18th century selected quotes, but they rejected it like a retard rejects apple juice when in a nasty mood. I truly believe they believe Ancient Macedonians were not Greek thanks to selective strawman quotes their Fyromian Govt has researched out of context and filtered through Maknews,,, It just becomes to apparent they have not actually ever read a book, let alone from an author like Borza who they spill quotes from like a vomiting drunk, just to ignore the quotes where he talks about Fyrom's cultural fabrication to the world. I eould give them charity money, but they are such nasty shits, it seems just better to let them starve as the Turks buy up their country and they return to islamic surf status. They always were Balkan offal, they have not changed, only difference is they use the internet now and have some selected out of context quotes they throw around any time they get the chance.

    By :
    Jonas Czibar
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Disc,I will answer your question very simply;
    Mario Alinei,Dean Emiritus of the University of Utrecht,Director of several linguistic reviews and progenitor of the Continuity Theory states:"I have to commence by clearing away one of the most absurd consequences of the traditional chronology namely,that of the arrival of the Slavs into the immense area in which they now live.The only logical conclusion can be that the Southern branch of the Slavs is the oldest and that from it developed the Slavic Western and Eastern branches...Today only a minority of experts support the theory of a late migration of the Slavs.
    Recent genetic studies conducted by Oxford University reveal that todays ethnic Macedonians carry only 15.2% of the Slav gene,slightly above modern Greeks and Albanians and less than Serbs and Bulgarians!They further reveal that todays ethnic Macedonians have the highest amount of the Mediterranean gene of all European people!This was also confirmed by the University of Madrid studies.In a court of Law,it is genetic proof that is conclusive,I might add!
    Here is a suggestion for the Greeks,how about DNA tests on the remains of the Royal Macedonian Tombs,uncovered and desecrated by "Greeks" in todays occupied Macedonia?Follow this up with genetic tests on modern Greek and Macedonian population...we will soon see the truth!
    Further,there is no pure Slav people...just like there is no pure"Greek."
    In summation...Ethnic,yes todays Ethnic Macedonians cannot possibly be of the old Mediterranean substratum if they were Slavs arriving in the Balkans in 6th century AD...as the 19th century Western construct asserts!!
    Todays ethnic Macedonians are authocthonous to Macedonia,it is very simple! Their language,unintelligable to the ancient Greeks,was a form of proto Macedonian/Slav,which then spread outward,becoming more complex as it moved further away from Macedonia.Countless proto Macedonian letters unearthed on the territory of the Republic of Macedonia(and no doubt in Pirin and Aegean Macedonia,though the respective occupiers have no doubt concealed them from the world because it does not fit their lies)attest to this fact!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • @ Peter
    You and your alike are the reason we are at the bottom of Europe. You and your alike are the reason all our neighbours are laughing at us. Enjoy your Скопје disneyland, you suck.

    By :
    Gordana
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • @ Peter:

    Ian Worthington, English historian and archaeologist:

    Not much need to be said about the Greekness of ancient Macedonia: it is undeniable.

    ("Philip II of Macedonia", Yale University Press, 2008)

    By :
    Alexander
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Vittore Pisani, Italian linguist:

    The (modern) Macedonian language is actually an artefact produced for primarily political reasons.

    ("Il Macedonico, Paideia, Rivista Letteraria di informazione bibliografica", vol. 12, p. 250, 1957)

    By :
    Alexander
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Jonas,read the article of Mario Alinei.Furtheremore,read the following;
    We need to refresh our memories about Isocrates letter to Philip,where he Isocrates,makes clear that:
    "Philips ancestors understood that Greeks cannot submit to the rule of a monarch,while non Greeks actually cannot live without such a regime."
    People of non-kindred r a c e-was the term used by Isocrates to describe the Macedonians.Obviously,and with added emphasis he is highlighting the distinction between the Macedonians and the Greeks.
    Why did Demosthenes composed an epitaph for the Greeks,but did not includ the fallen Macedonians at Chaeronea in 338 BC?"Time whose oercing eye records all human action,bear word to mankind what fate was suffered,how striving to safeguard the holy soil of Hellas,upon Boeitias plains we died.
    The distinction between Greeks and Macedonians is explicit;"how striving to safeguard the holy soil of Hellas-we died"
    They were striving to safeguard the holy soil of Hellas from the attack of the Macedonians!
    Ancient Macedonians were not Greeks(in Badians words,paraphrasing)they did not consider themselves to be Greeks,nore were they so considered by the ancient Greeks.
    Arrian tells us that as far as Greece is concerned"it had been enslaved by the Macedonians."
    Here is a question for you;If geographic Macedonia to be Greek then Modern Greece will have to show additional proof as to a)why they did not register their claims during the signing of the 1913 Treaty of Bucharest and b)why they willingly allowed Serbia and Bulgaria to take 49% of Macedonian territories.This is a straight forward question.You don't need wikiprdia!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Alexander,Eugene N. Borza also sock Greece by saying"Alexander the Great was not Greek,nor the Macedonian people,he was a Macedonian".
    Will not waste my time.Learn history first!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Jonas,your intelectual capacity needs to expand a little before you can comment about Macedonian history.I will answer you by saying the following;Macedonia has been occupied for many years under the Roman,Ottoman Empires,and the last 99 years by four occupiers since 1913.We were in a similar situation as a prisoner accused of killing someone,but cannot prove his guilt from the prison.Such has been our problem on our rightful history.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Gordana,if you are a Macedonian,shame on you.Those who I named before are like the prostitutes who are selling their bodies as did Crvenkovski and his cohorts who are selling their own people.As for your SDCM is concerned,they will never come back to govern.Ask the 200K people who lost their jobs by selling off industry to their own friends.Gruevski done more in 6 years than SDCM did in 16 years.It is hard to come up after the destruction your friends did,especially during financial crises.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Peter, you embarrass me and my country the Republic of Macedonia. Please pick another subject away from my country to show how stupid and uneducated you are.

    By :
    Todor S
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • @ Peter

    The Times Guide to the Peoples of Europe:

    FYROMian rock groups may claim Alexander the Great as a forefather of their nation but even the recent scholarly histories of the FYROMians spanning three millennia are spurious and only lay the FYROMians open to the ridicule of those who would deny their nationhood; the Macedonian regional name is ancient but contemporary "Macedonians" are among the newest nations in Europe.

    (The Times Guide to the Peoples of Europe, Times Books, Jan. 1994, p. 223-224)

    By :
    Alexander
    - Posted on :
    04/12/2012
  • Loring Danforth, American professor of anthropology:

    Whether a "Macedonian" nation existed at the time or not, it is perfectly clear that the communist party of Yugoslavia had important political reasons for declaring that one did exist and for fostering its development through a concerted process of nation building, employing all the means at the disposal of the Yugoslav state.

    (“The Macedonian Conflict: Ethnic Nationalism in a Transnational World”, Princeton Univ. Press, December 1995, p.66)

    By :
    Alexander
    - Posted on :
    04/12/2012
  • Dennis P. Hupchick, American professor of history:

    The obviously plagiarized historical argument of the Macedonian nationalists for a separate "Macedonian" ethnicity could be supported only by linguistic reality, and that worked against them until the 1940s. Until a modern "Macedonian" literary language was mandated by the socialist-led partisan movement from Macedonia in 1944, most outside observers and linguists agreed with the Bulgarians in considering the vernacular spoken by the Macedonian Slavs as a western dialect of Bulgarian.

    ("Conflict and Chaos in Eastern Europe", Palgrave Macmillan, 1995, p.143)

    By :
    Alexander
    - Posted on :
    04/12/2012
  • @ Bognadis

    You are a bit confused, aren't' you? ;)

    Alexander I of Macedon, king of Macedon from 498 BCE to 454 BC:

    Men of Athens.In truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Greece; I myself am by ancient descent a Greek, and I would not willingly see Greece change her freedom for slavery.

    (Herodotus, "Histories", 9.45)

    Ian Worthington, English historian and archaeologist:

    Not much need to be said about the Greekness of ancient Macedonia: it is undeniable.

    ("Philip II of Macedonia", Yale University Press, 2008)

    David H. Levinson:

    It should be noted that there is no connection between the Macedonians of the time of Alexander the Great who were related to other Greek tribes and the (FYRO)Macedonians of today, who are of Slavic Origin and related to the Bulgarians.

    ("Encyclopedia of World Cultures", 1991)

    By :
    George
    - Posted on :
    05/12/2012
  • well im albanian from preseva , if you live in presevo you will realise how hard its to live in presevo, bujanovac, medvegja as albanian , who's fault is it no one knows really serbs they hate us so much you wont believe ,they take all are money and nothing in return and im not gona be no ones slavery i want to live my life as my generations people in belgrade, london, ext well im willing to die for my freedom no matter what .Belgrade its to stupid to do any thing they just hate and use ......

    By :
    albanian
    - Posted on :
    22/01/2013
  • George,do you understand what Herodotus meant"men of Athens,in truth I would not tell it to you if I did not care so much for all Greece.I myself am by ancient descent a Greek,and I would not willingly see Greece change her freedom for slavery".What did he really meant was,Slavery under the yoke of the Macedonians.He makes perfect distinction between the Athenians and Macedonians.

    Here also Demosthenes confirms the difference between the Athenians and Macedonians;"Time whose oerceeng eye records all human action,bear word to mankind what fate was suffered,how striving to safeguard the holy soil of Hellas,upon Boeotias plain we died."

    The distinction between Greeks and Macedonians is explicit;"how striving to safeguard the holy soil of Hellas-we died.

    They were striving to safeguard the holy soil of Hellas from the attack of the Macedonians.
    Ancient Macedonians were not Greeks,they did not consider themselves to be Greek,nor were they so considered by the ancient Greeks.
    Arrian tells us that as far as Greece is concerned"It had been enslaved by the Macedonians".

    Alexander,ancient Macedonians existed before the Hellens.Read my comment of December 3rd,2012 on this site.See what Alinei and others are saying.

    Todor S,why don't you show who really you are?.
    Todor,the embarrassment is you for pretending as being Macedonian.Have no guts to show your real identity,that is an embarrassment my friend.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    22/01/2013
Background: 

After the "big bang" of 2004-2007, the EU enlargement is losing steam. The European Commission's voluminous yearly reports look at the state of play of the EU hopefuls' relations with Brussels. 

Turkey, Macedonia, Montenegro, Iceland and Serbia are candidate countries, whereas Bosnia and Herzegovina, Albania and Kosovo are considered potential candidates. Croatia is due to joint the EU in 2013.

Macedonia was granted candidate status in December 2005. However, the former Yugoslav republic has been unable to start accession negotiations due to a dispute over the country's name, which is identical to a Greek province.

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