Turkey pressures France to stop Armenian genocide bill

It's almost funny to watch the official Ankara reaction. Before complaining Turkey must revisit its own article 301 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_301_%28Turkish_Penal_Code%29) explicitly penalizing with jail all its citizens who refer to Armenian mass murder as "genocide".

robert
did you know that today some people still openly refer to it as genocide in turkey and they are not penalized? check some columnists who write about the matter in Turkish papers.
what will happen in France when somebody publishes a book that disagrees with the theory of genocide, or some children of Turkish ethnicity disagree in French schools if this is in school books? according to this law, they can be penalized.
do you still think this is funny?
regards.

This bill is about defending democracy and free speech. The turks attack everyone in France who would speak about the Armenian Genocide. After the bill becomes a law, the turks will not be able to export intollerance. Erdogan once said "democracy is only a tool to serve the interests of Islam". The turks use the european values to advance their own interests. They don't care about free speech or democracy. -otherwise, they would not arrest, torture, or/and kill everyone who would speak about the Armenian Genocide.

EVERY country in the world in history should be pulled up for genocide. Look at england, france, usa, spain, arab nations etc. Why arent they mentioned as genocide? but targeted the ottomen empire on a civial war? Then there would be a hell of alot more geneocide laws being passed around. Im of turkish background and i am raised not to hate on people jus accept and live your life the best way you possibley can. The EU dont want a muslim nation to enter the EU thats obvious to me. They are saying human rights are being abused in turkey. Ok tell me human rights arent being abused in europe . Please come onnnn look at damn Bosna war for example. Killing people based on ethnic backgrounds but thats allowed right.The turkish government for many years has said let the historicans decide what actually happened but no one wants to listen to FACTUAL documents but want to listen to hear say. Then i am going to say A dingo ate my baby.. So all dingos are baby killers pleaseee. Let crediable historians decide that actually teach this at universities or historians that specialise in ottomen history and middle eastern history. You and me dont have all the historical artificates we are just basing it on what the media says happened and we take it for what it is. People grow up and stop being blind

The Genocide Word by Raphael Lemkin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFPch5OILfU

The Modern Day Crusaders of France, the leading member of the Old Antiquated Europe, can rant all she wants!
The geriatric French society has diffculty maintaining her population at its present level and the only significant French product these days appear to be Racism and Turco-phobia whereas Turkey enjoys the 2nd fastest developing economy in the World which is likely to dwarf France in less than 20 years. The French bigot nation may alltogether forget about tens of billions of Dollars of Turkish contracts. Ankara should push for the genocide of the hundreds of thousands of Algerians by the Racist French!

Were German People fighting to stop Holocaust denial bill? Why are Turks so concerned?
Why must France use double standards for Jews and Armenians?

Fred,
you need to understand that the discussion is not only about what happened in history. If this is the question, there are historical material supporting both theories, it is much more complicated than "Turks killed Armenians" and it is the stupidest thing to make a law that dictates what happened in history. The underlying issue is about a country, who sided with Russia during WW1 i.e. bet on the wrong horse and did not get the land from Ottoman Empire when the winners of the war divided the empire. This country is Armenia. It also did not ratify the agreements which defines its border with Turkey.
World history is full of such experiences on behalf of countries and nations. What Armenia pursues is the hope which was not realized after WW1.
This issue is used as a means of dimplomatic war against Turkey: "if you don't behave according to my wishes, I still have issues from your past which I try to turn against you." The reason France currently takes the lead has something to do with the fact that Turkey competes against France in the same geopolitical region i.e. Middle-East and North Africa.
Your last question suggests the assumption that Armenians and Jews experienced the same thing. It is wrong. For starters, Armenians of Ottoman empire volunteered to fight in Russian army against Turks. Armenians were also recruited by French army during invasion of Turkey.

so, a number of turkish and foreign intellectuals recognize it as genocide. why should it bear any more weight than the historians who disagree to the genocide theory? there are also a good number of intellectuals out there who disseminate the propaganda that "Nato bombed Libya to free its people" and such. it does not really change the facts.
Is there anybody who has any sense to see the difference between "empathizing with Armenian people's sufferings" and "accusing of Turks of a genocide"?
If the world is such a place where there are big concerns of crime against humanity, why are people so silent about the killings of people committed by European armies over the centuries throughtout the history? Why is there no interest for the loss of muslims and Turks during WW1 by local christian militia over the land of Ottoman empire?
I have met a bunch of people who live in one of the safest countries in Europe and knew nothing about that part of history. After a week of photography trip, they came back convinced of the genocide. Most of the people know nothing but the propaganda.

Ciao,

who you say shut up and then speak about freedom?

Armenians are the nation who launched live genocide series against civilians in Azerbaijan. The recent facts of their conflict over Nagorno Karabakh with another post-soviet country having similar traditions with Turks, i.e. Azerbaijan, ended with torture burn-out of almost ten thousands people in Khojaly region. These people were murdered by the regular army of Armenia. These people were neither military troops of Azerbaijan, nor any volunteers who would be armed to fight some one. These people were children and women, old men and handicaps who were left un-aided during in the rage of military conflict over Nagorno Karabakh by their state - Azerbaijan. Armenia who pleads being victimized by Turks now, has committed such a recent crime itself. Armenia is the country where criminals rule the government and people are starving. Who ever claims on their behalf in France is having very evil pursuits connected not to "genocide" but laundering moneys of criminals in Armenia who by the way lobby regional trafficking of drugs and weapons to kill many French family younger and inexperienced members and blow out bombs in the streets. Please keep on voting for your mercantile politics in France the way you have done so far.