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Greece has entered a 'Great Depression', PM tells Clinton

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Published 23 July 2012

Greece is in a "Great Depression" similar to the American one in the 1930s, the country's Prime Minister Antonis Samaras told former US President Bill Clinton on Sunday (22 July).

Samaras was speaking two days before a team of Greece's international lenders arrive in Athens to push for further cuts needed for the debt-laden country to qualify for further rescue payments and avoid a chaotic default.

Athens wants to soften the terms of a €130 billion bailout agreed last March with the European Union and the International Monetary Fund, to soften their impact on an economy going through its worst post-war recession.

By the end of this year Greek GDP is expected to have shrunk by about a fifth in five consecutive years of recession since 2008, hammered by tax hikes, spending cuts and wage reductions required by two EU/IMF bailouts. Unemployment climbed to a record 22.6% in the first quarter.

"You had the Great Depression in the United States," Samaras told Clinton, who was visiting Greece as part of a delegation of Greek-American businessmen. "This is exactly what we're going through in Greece - it's our version of the Great Depression."

Athens must reduce its budget deficit below 3% of GDP by the end of 2014, from 9.3% of GDP in 2011 – requiring almost another €12 billion in cuts and higher taxes on top of the €17 billion successive governments have cut from the budget shortfall.

Greece wants its lenders to give it two more years to achieve the budget goal to avoid an even deeper economic slump but its lenders have opposed the idea because it would imply even more financial aid.

Highlighting growing frustration with Athens, German magazine "Der Spiegel" reported on Sunday, citing high-ranking representatives in Brussels, that the IMF may not take part in any additional financing for Greece.

The German and Greek finance ministries declined to comment on the report, which suggested additional support required for Athens could range from €10-50 billion.

Germany sceptical

Officials have already indicated there would be a shortfall on the current bailout. How much is likely to depend on the extent by much Greece continues to miss its fiscal targets and the extent of support needed to keep its major banks afloat.

German economy minister Philipp Roesler told ARD public television he did not expect Greece could fulfill its requirements and that that would mean no more money to Athens.

"I am more than sceptical," Roesler, who is the head of the junior party in Germany's ruling coalition and often outspoken on euro zone issues, said in an interview.

"If Greece does not fulfill its requirements, there cannot be any more payments to Greece," added Roesler, whose views often do not reflect those of Chancellor Angela Merkel or Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble.

The inspection team of the international "troika" of the EU Commission, the IMF and the ECB will focus on the €11.7 billion of spending cuts Athens needs to take in 2013 and 2014.

Clinton criticised Greece's lenders for focusing excessively on austerity, saying Athens will be more likely to repay its debt if its manages economic recovery first.

"(It) is self-defeating... if every day people are saying this may or may not work to give us back 100 cents on the dollar, so give us more austerity today," he told Samaras.

"People need something to look forward to when they get up in the morning - young Greeks need something to believe in so they can stake their future out here," Clinton said.

EurActiv.com with Reuters

COMMENTS

  • Welcome to the EU!!
    Great huh, financial dismay created by the euro. When are they going to stop ,till were all in ruin , or is that the plan? Scare enough people and youll get what you want . This is the biggest power grab since world war 2 and they have all the key players in place to try to pull it of. When the next EU top meeting takes place just before thell start to scare people again with doomsday senarios manipulate markets ,and then say you have to sign this and you better agree to that and if you dont well all fall of a cliff. And worst of all the public buys this crap. Its to bad that what they want is one EU run buy the elite. Look at the bilderberger group and read for yourself and see who the key players are. I think your eyes will open up folks!!!

    By :
    klassen
    - Posted on :
    23/07/2012
  • Greek PM was the cause of the eurozone downfall.
    Even more Greeces downfall.Does anyone remembers 1995?
    This is the year,Mr.Samaras was distributing 130 million dollars in black garbage bags,to the Macedonian politicians and newsmedia like A1 TV to carry on propaganda againts the Republic of Macedonia and its large Macedonian minority.Can one imaging a government stashing 130 million $ in garbage bags,with no accountability to the state?.Is this same individual will save Greece and for that matter the eurozone from disaster of the economy?.
    Will the eurozone states be able to aford feeding him by taking it from their own citizens?They too are facing elections if you know what I mean.
    It looks like the eurozone politicians have not grassped what John Adams said about the Greeks!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    27/07/2012
  • Peter, Greece has an ambitious task before itself. Economic reform and budget cuts in Greece are no doubt needed -- of course this makes it all the more difficult as it comes at a time when the country is facing unprecendented poverty and a contracting economy. And yet, despite the odds and in spite of the difficulties, the Greek people are making taking on those changes; they fundamentally understand that positive change starts with the Greeks themselves. Rest assured, I don't say this as a theoretical concept -- I have seen it on my own in recent travels there where daily habits are demonstrably changing and past behaviours are being outrightly admonished. Change is happening and it is headed in the right direction. Unproductive criticism have no place other than in that black garbage of yours ~~ get rid of it already. As educated Europeans we should ensure our dialogue remains constructive and credible with the aim of reinforcing European confidence in the EU project and in promoting Greek and European stability in tangible and meaningful ways. One thing remains absolutely certain: A success story in Greece is both good news for Greeks and for the rest of us in Europe.

    By :
    Mary
    - Posted on :
    06/08/2012
  • @Mary,I wonder some times if Greeces politicians are able to think as you just wrote.
    Greeces best economy is tourism,why would a country who's economy is going down would put stickers on their cars of visiting Macedonians who are coming to the country to vacation and spent their money?
    PM Samaras on the offer of helping the forest fires by the Republic of Macedonia,he,Samaras said"I rather see the people burn than accept help from(Fyrom).
    That kind of mentalaty guides Greek politicians.This is why I inserted the comment of John Adams,unfortunatly,it fits!
    I truly want Greece to succeed,because it will be good for the people of Greece as well as its neighbors.
    Please,do not think I wish the people of Greece ill,it is the political elit.Have a great day!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    06/08/2012
Background: 

New Democracy, the centre-right party that won the general election in Greece last June, formed a coalition government with the third-placed socialist PASOK.

New Democracy won 29.7% of the vote, ahead of the leftist Syriza with 27%. Both New Democracy and PASOK are part of the “pro-bailout” camp.

New Democracy and PASOK alternated in power from the fall of military rule in 1974 until last year, when Greece's economic crisis forced the rivals to share power in a national unity government tasked with rescuing the country from bankruptcy.

Many Greeks hold both parties responsible for the nation's near bankruptcy, which forced it to take bailouts from the European Union and IMF in 2010 and again this year.

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