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Italy 'ready to give up sovereignty' to save euro

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Published 16 September 2011

Ahead of a key eurozone meeting in Poland today (16 September), Italian Foreign Minister Franco Frattini said Rome was ready to relinquish "all the sovereignty necessary to create a genuine European central government" and draw a line under the euro zone's debt crisis.

In a rare federalist outing, Frattini, a former European commissioner, may have given an indication of how serious the eurozone debt crisis is perceived in Rome.

"Different countries have different views on European federalism, but Italy is ready to give up all the sovereignty necessary to create a genuine European central government," Frattini told the Süddeutsche Zeitung on Wednesday (14 September).

"We must work seriously towards the formation of a genuine European economic government. It is no longer sufficient to lead Europe by coming together around a table at intergovernmental level," he said, referring to the numerous EU emergency summits that have been called since the debt crisis erupted.

Poland's Finance Minister Jacek Rostowski warned last week that a contagion of the debt crisis to Italy would "destroy the euro zone," calling on European leaders to take bold steps to resolve the crisis. Rotoswski said last month he believed the euro zone was moving towards a fiscal union.

A growing chorus of politicians – including from the ranks of the UK Conservatives – have called on eurozone leaders to take bold steps towards greater economic and fiscal union as a way out of the debt crisis.

UK Finance Minister George Osborne said on Tuesday that members of the single currency should pursue the "remorseless logic" of monetary union with fiscal union.

Frattini admitted that such far-reaching changes would require modifying the European treaties, at least "certain chapters of it," something that German Chancellor Angela Merkel and her finance minister, Wolfgang Schäuble, have already acknowledged.

The Italian foreign minister said political courage was needed to adopt eurozone reforms that may prove unpopular with voters.

"Even if the chancellor loses a few votes in local elections, she is firmly standing by Europe's side. And she's right," Frattini said.

COMMENTS

  • At last.

    Three cheers for Mr. Frattini - and for Mr. Rostowski - for calling for union.

    Now if Mr. Osborne would also call for the UK to join that union, he, too, would deserve three cheers.

    Will Mr. Schäuble earn three cheers? We'll see...

    Long live a democratic and expanding European Union!

    By :
    OldStone50
    - Posted on :
    16/09/2011
  • Incredible - throughout history people have died fighting for self determination and now the likes of Frattini are 'ready to give up sovereignty' for purely economic reasons.

    From my (UK) point of view if the other 26 want this then go ahead, but count me out

    By :
    Charles Marriott
    - Posted on :
    16/09/2011
  • To say that a federation equals giving up sovereignty is just wrong!

    The decision making authority would be transferred to a higher level – but this level is democratically legitimised!

    The people of Europe lose sovereignty every day to companies and foreign powers because our political system is too weak to deal with the problems of this globalised world.

    Thus, Federation now!

    By :
    Vincent
    - Posted on :
    16/09/2011
  • I wholeheartedly agree! Federation now! If the UK won't join in now, then they will have to in the future just like in 1973 when things were desperate. It might be 'OK' for the UK right now, but the longer she waits on the sidelines, the worse it will get.

    By :
    graybiker
    - Posted on :
    16/09/2011
  • Democratic where? Nothing democratic about the EU at all; it's a copy of the USSR's government. More centralization means less freedom. You'll regret surrendering to this empire.

    By :
    heiliges roemisches reich
    - Posted on :
    16/09/2011
  • In other words, the Italian government no longer knows how to run a sovereign nation, so it asks for someone else to take over.

    Garibaldi must be spinning like a top.

    By :
    oatka
    - Posted on :
    16/09/2011
  • @OldStone50: The UK will never attest to this, never, we have a referendum lock which prevents ministers from making big decisions (I know small one's can get through, but not this). The British public will never join the EU, check out our history, even with the full might of the BBC and the EU hammering away at us we've remained independent.

    We are not European, we are British, we are not socialists, never ever!

    @graybiker: Nonsense, we contribute to the IMF, this is where we get our money from. Don't forget Europe needs the UK because we legitimise the IV Reich, that's what this is guys, think about it, read your history.

    Italy was first contemplating a bailout from the Chinese, now it's ready to let it's sovereignty go, shame, shame. But if the history of Italy is anything to go by, they'll have changed their minds by the middle of next week.

    Even if they give up sovereignty, the north won't, they country will split through fighting and all the while Europe will be falling apart. No, Italy is going to come off very badly from the EU break-up, I always said they'd go before Spain, they're so useless with home affairs.

    By :
    Levison
    - Posted on :
    16/09/2011
  • This is so sad.

    I am not against further integration, but Frattini is calling for it because the government he is a part of is totally incapable of sorting his country's finances out. They would prefer Eurobonds and integration to asking the vested interests in Italy to make some sacrifices.

    Frattini, I thought, was one of the few capable ministers in Europe's most ridiculous government but this is shameful.

    By :
    Irish Paolo
    - Posted on :
    17/09/2011
  • Here come the "little englanders" with their nonsense.....

    LONG LIVE THE EUROPEAN UNION!!!!!

    By :
    Europwer
    - Posted on :
    17/09/2011
  • Italy - thousands of years of glory, and now dicklessness.

    By :
    Anonymous
    - Posted on :
    17/09/2011
  • Speaking as someone from one of the smaller countries (Ireland). I have got to say that far from being a democratic union, Germany is Dictating what the other counties have to do. We are not innoccent bystanders though. The Greed of Governments and Bankers of the poorer countries of this alliance taken together with the willingness of the Central (German Controlled) banks to allow the rest of us the rope enough to hang.
    Italy may just be the first of all of us to fall. This isn't just a rant at the Union, We voted the "Wrong" way on their plans for Europe and were forced to vote again to give them thier answer. That is a dictatorship.

    By :
    StigTwig
    - Posted on :
    17/09/2011
  • My, there are a lot of Quislings on here! I'm afraid your National Socialist dream is about to come to an end thanks to your corrupt and incompetent leaders. They have lied, schemed and betrayed their peoples for too long and will soon go the way of all such over-inflated empire-builders.

    By :
    Anonymous
    - Posted on :
    17/09/2011
  • This Frattini has clearly sold his soul, but can he commit the Italian people ? Being a former EU commissioner, it is clear that this loss of faith in his own country shows that his defection did not happen yesterday.

    As Frattini’s untimely declaration indicates, the Italian government has completely lost control of the dept situation. The Italian government is ready to exchange the sovereignty of Italy for German money. Will the surrender to Germany and France save the finances of the Italian people ? I do not thing so, but perhaps secure the personal fortune of Franco Frattini.

    By :
    Loftur Altice Þorsteinsson
    - Posted on :
    18/09/2011
  • Italians have always seen in the EU and Brussels a cleaner public administration and more efficient politics than Rome's. So I wouldn't be too surprised if Frattini's call were actually supported by many Italians. One of the most successful populists at the moment, Beppe Grillo, has ironically called for selling the country to the Germans because a 'German Southern protectorate' would be better administered than independent Italy... : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cc_DL8d6ZNY

    By :
    Anonymous
    - Posted on :
    19/09/2011
  • Levison: Then why does the UK stick around as a member state? What exactly is the point of being part of the EU for the British people if all they ever do is repeat what you're saying, "We're not European, we're British". Really, what is wrong with you people? Is it some weird inferiority/superiority complex? It seems the only function of the UK as a member state in the EU is to point out that they don't want to be a member state of the EU. Then leave. Really, it's o.k. I hardly think the UK, as a member state, will be missed. What do you people actually contribute? New ideas on how to improve people's lives? Nope. Look at your own society - a bunch of classists. Culturally? Nope. So, really. Before Greece or any other indebted country leaves any of the European institutions, I think Britain should.

    By :
    Anonymous
    - Posted on :
    19/09/2011
  • Another comment: I actually feel sorry for Germans sometimes, you know? I love how someone in this comment thread, who says their from Ireland, outright blames the Germans for the Irish situations. The Greeks do the same. They need - whether they want it or not - help from Germany, but then they curse the Germans and say it's their fault that Greece is in the mess that it is. So, no matter how much Germany reforms itself, it'll always be too easy to call them Nazis but then beg for their help. You can say what you want about the Germans, but they have a very strong work ethic and they highly value financial stability so that they live in comfort. Get to work if you want to get to that level.

    By :
    Anonymous
    - Posted on :
    19/09/2011
  • As a born British person of English, Irish and Italian ancestry, I see myself as generally European. Whilst it is common opinion of my countrymen to disregard it but similar processes took the UK incorporating England, Wales, Scotland and Ireland during the course of its history. England use to contain the countries of Cornwall and Northumbria.

    Countries have been merging in line with technology and action. The only difference is that the EU is consenually done whilst nations of Germany, the UK, and even France and Italy came from bloodshed of centuries prior. To unite by choice, even if it isn't entirely characteristic of democracy, is much better than the alternative. We British would do well to learn the lessons of Neville Chamberlain who wanted to shut out the problems of Europe, or all the other British statesmen who thought Europe would never effect us. One after the other have been proven wrong and today we need to step next to our fellow Europeans if not out of comradery then out of sheer self-interest.

    To believe we are immune merely due to the fact our coin is named differently is inane. The creating of a a united Europe has been in the making for over half a century and even was supported by Churchill hence his phrase "United States of Europe" and Thatcher's hand in the creation of the Euro. Prior to this, it was mass devaluation and growing disparity. Now we have some disparity but with the power to change Europe as a whole for the better! To throw this away is to throw aside decades of diplomatic process and peace within the bloc.

    By :
    Alex Lock
    - Posted on :
    19/09/2011

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