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Published 20 February 2013, updated 21 February 2013

Ukraine's top diplomat in Brussels says his country rejects any kind of pre-conditions for the signature of its Association Agreement with the EU ahead of the leadership summit to be held on Monday.

Ambassador Kostiantyn Yelisieiev's statement appears to be a response to Brussels' demands that Ukraine should respond to three conditions before the agreement could be signed.

Štefan Füle, commissioner for Enlargement and Neighbourhood Policy, recently repeated in Kyiv the three conditions for the signature, including judicial reforms.

Yelisieiev said his country fails to understand why conditions are imposed on Ukraine. He said, for example, that the United States is not being forced to abolish the death penalty before the EU moves forward in setting up a free trade area with its transatlantic partner.

“You try to treat Ukraine as an accession country,” Yelisieiev said, referring to the stringent requirements candidates must meet to become an EU member.

The Commission treats Ukraine as a neighbourhood partner outside the EU enlargement framework.

Nevertheless, the diplomat praised Füle and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton for what he called their good understanding of his country’s situation.

Yelisieiev sounded more critical towards individual member countries, which he said were holding back the progress of bilateral relations.

“Don’t neglect the pro-Russia lobby in the EU,” he said, without elaborating.

‘Shame-and-blame’ policy

Yelisieiev said the “shame-and-blame” policy promoted by such countries had failed, and that the EU had “understood the importance to engage in dialogue” with Kyiv. From December 2011 to December 2012, bilateral relations had been brought to a minimum.

But now, as the diplomat said, the dialogue has intensified and there was a “good climate” in relations.

The EU-Ukraine Association Agreement is expected to be signed at the Vilnius Eastern Partnership Summit in November, during the Lithuanian presidency of the EU. Yelisieiev said that 2013 was a “make-or-break year” in EU-Ukraine relations, although he declined to comment what would be the fallout in the case of failure.

Disappointment with EU’s ‘lack of solidarity’

The envoy told journalists his country was disappointed with “the very passive approach of Brussels” on issues relating to the gas supply from Russia and its transit through Ukrainian territory.

In particular, he expressed bitterness over the lack of response from Slovakia to pump back Russian gas to Ukraine, though he said Poland had agreed to sell Russian gas to Ukraine.

Despite additional transit taxes for re-routing Russian gas from Germany through Poland to Ukraine and a commission paid to German company RWE, the gas was 20% cheaper than Gazprom’s supplies to Kyiv, he said.

Yelisieiev also expressed bitterness at the “failure to implement the solidarity principle” against South Stream, the Gazprom-favoured project to bring gas to Western Europe bypassing Ukraine, through an offshore pipeline under the Black Sea. He blamed some EU countries for reportedly having requested an exemption for South Stream from the EU’s Third Energy Package.

Despite these setbacks, the Ukrainian ambassador conceded his country did not stay idle and several projects aimed at decreasing energy dependence from Russia were under way, including the development of shale gas.

Regarding the $7 billion (€5.2-billion) bill his country was recently presented by Russia under a 'take-or-pay’ clause, according to which Ukraine has to disburse even if it hasn’t imported the gas, he also blamed the EU for having kept “silent”.

The Ukrainian ambassador also criticised EU countries for not applying in full the Third Energy Package, and also for the Commission allowing EU standards to be applied on an arbitrary basis.

“We would like to see the EU more pro-active, less shy,” Yelisieiev said.

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COMMENTS

  • "Ukraine's top diplomat in Brussels says his country rejects any kind of pre-conditions for the signature of its Association Agreement with the EU ahead of the leadership summit to be held on Monday".

    RIGHT ON!!

    It is common knowledge that Ukraine as a refugee from the former Soviet Union has work to do on such as "due Process" and the concept of "loyal opposition" in an electorial process as a replacement for "purges" which were the normal way to change government 22 years ago.

    However EU "report cards" are not a proper substitute for FRIENDLY advice between equals. This is especially true when EU officialdom is so ignorant of (or arrogant to?) the current situation in Ukraine.

    In addition with their advocacy for their pin-up girl "Gas Princess' you might think some of the EU would stand up for Ukraine in the dispute with KGB Putin? No they instead listen to Putin's EU lobbyists.

    Time for Ukraine to renew the "self help" idea and reach out to 3rd (and 4th, 5th, &c.) options while the EU works out some of its OWN internal matters including justice for such as Julian Assange.

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    20/02/2013
  • I also feel the ukrainian Nation should not be punished for the shortcomings of the current government. But while signing Association Agreement pressure should be picked up against undemocratic doings of certain people in the ukrainian government. This can only be done with sanctions against these people and their family as relations. These people only react if they themselves are hit where it is most important for them, their pockets. These people include the current ukrainian President, his family and staff, the general prosecuters office, vice presidents, the ukrainian Prime Minister and his family, other oligarchs of the Donetsk basin and beyond. All their assets abroad have to be frozen. Their foreign privat economical ventures and aspirations should be put on hold. Visas abroad should be denied. This should have been done already a long time ago. This is also the repeated wish of the western oriented ukrainian Opposition in the Ukrainian, the new ukrainian Dissidents which have fled the current ukrainian governments persecution and many ukrainian Organisations abroad.

    By :
    Dr. Andreas Andrejciw
    - Posted on :
    20/02/2013
  • The EU isn't making a special case against Ukraine over the so-called 'pin-up Gas Princess'. It's employing the SAME criteria as with other EU members.

    Ukraine has to evolve out of its crude, partisan justice system that's under the thumb of a tyrant.

    Tymoshenko is merely the icon of what's currently happening in Ukraine.

    The concept is basic: 'impartial rule of law', the keyword here is 'impartial'; which is apparently an alien concept amongst the CIS countries.

    It's up to Ukraine to EVOLVE into an acceptable democracy; not for the EU to kowtow to tyrants and their thugs.

    By :
    Frederick C. Lee
    - Posted on :
    20/02/2013
  • ...I also think that the Ukrainian people shouldn't be punished for the criminal activities & behaviors of the current government.

    So I'm in favor of Ukraine's admission into the EU; but with constraint, holding the thugs accountable as is being done by restricting such thugs' access to the USA.

    In short, keep the will of Ukraine people separate from the behavior of its government & nefarious cronies.

    By :
    Frederick C. Lee
    - Posted on :
    20/02/2013
  • Not all the "thugs" in Ukraine are part of the present government; the opposition has more than its fair share of bully boys. These are waiting/hoping for a "regime change" that they cannot arrange on their own but woiuld come from outside Ukraine.

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    21/02/2013
  • Dave I've been all over the Ukraine, east and west. Thugs you can find everywhere (actually in every country in the world). Fortunately these people are usually not into politics, except for the ruling party at the moment. Most Ukrainians (99%)east and west are very good people. Your view is not even shared by the many disappointed voters in eastern Ukraine. Even in eastern Ukraine the great majority of the people agree that the current government is very corrupt and surpressing the opposition. The oligarchs in power today have become three times richer (we are talking about billions!) in the last 2 years while the nation has become much poorer.
    Still the party of the regions got almost have the vote at the last parlamentry election, although only 30% (at least officailly) of the population voted for them. This is thanks to the last changes in the Ukrainian voting system introduced by the now ruling party of the regions. (without even mentioning the new law on minority languages) If the country had true free elections the current opposition would be in power again. If you want everyone who is reading to be shocked, then ask me to write more in detail about the current people in power. How they got rich, what they have been doing to get richer the last few years, how they have been surpressing the opposition, special police forces to frighten people from demonstrating, using sing the courts to prevent the opposition in making public gatherings, details about the current court cases and past court cases against opposition members. Very shocking! The European Union wouldn't have ask the Ukrainian government for reforms if the situation wasn't that bad.

    By :
    Dr. Andreas Andrejciw
    - Posted on :
    21/02/2013
  • Sadly you are essentially correct when you refer to Regionaire type oligarchs but you neglect to analyse the likes of the BILLONAIRE Gas Princess and her cronies.

    Unfortunately they are as bad or worse than the current government, and just as efficient as looters. They proved this prior to 2010 when they were in power.

    As for "the current opposition being in power again" that statement is patently absurd. While President Yanukovych is not overly popular and thus vulnerable, he is nevertheless recognized by the majority as the best president (of the four) since independence. Ditto PM Azarov. Thus to defeat them will require something more than yesterday's political hash regurgitated/recycled. Any of those from prior to 2010 will, if around for 2015 or thereabouts, will suffer the same fate as the now disgraced Yushchenko.

    If the present government is smart enough to find a "due process" method for releasing the "Princess" she will accommodate the Regionaires by dissipating the Sympathy factor with her penchant for petty bickering; the same way she and her слуга Yushchenko betrayed the Orange Revolution they really were into only for their own selfish ends.

    There are of course others more recently arrived n the scene who offer future hope for first a constructive LOYAL opposition leading to a future democratic regime, but these are and must remain at arms length from the OLD opposition if they are to offer a future truly different from a dismal past.

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    22/02/2013
  • Hi Dave, Miss Tymoshenko was a gas princess almost 20 years ago. All say after her short stay in prison under the old president Kuchma, she came out as a different person. She has fought years now for democracy. That's why everyone in the Western political world support her. She had a couple of oligarchs in her party but has successfully cleaned her party.
    Yanukowitch spend time in jail in his younger years, his whole poltical carrier in Donetsk is marked with shady deals and doings, their are even some recordings with Kuchma on this subject. Yushchenko is disgraced and almost no one in the western and central Ukraine want to vote for him today, because he prevented the people in power now from having to face court themselves for their in past actions and has allowed the oligarchs to sieze power. He signed the changes in law to the presidential between Tymoshenko and Yanukowitch allowing the party of the regions to manipulate the election count. Ms. Tymoshenko lost between 900,000 and 1,200,000 million voters this way and the election.
    Earlier he blocked many reforms which Prime Minister Tymoshenko wanted to introduce (for example her medical reform was vetoed). The problem was Yushchenko. He allowed RosKroEnergo, Tymoshenko removed them as intermidiate entrepeneurs on the Ukrainian gas market. He allowed the Ukrainain shelf to be bought bay a granny and two students (in the bachground oligarchs). Tymoshenko prevented this again. She is a bickering type of person, but she wants only the best for the Ukrainian nation. You could compare her to Maggy Thacher, as strong woman, not everyone got along with her either.
    Yanukowitch hasn't been impeached yet through the parlament because election laws of parlament were recently changed. The 3 opposition parties, Badkivcchina (incl.Yatsinyuks party), the right winged Svoboda party and Klitchkos UDAR received even after manipulations through the party of the regions, 49,93% of the vote, recieving together though only about 30% of the parlaments seats. The regions party got only 30% of the popular vote (with manipulations) and still recieved almost half of the parlamentary seats. Together with the communists and free parlamentariens, the still have a comfortable majority now. Under the old parlamentary election law, the opposition would have a majority now and Yanukowitch would be impeached and the whole gang would be facing the courts, but courts with western standards. Not like today where the prosecutors work together with the judges, where the penal code has been recently changed to allow 3 hand information to be used against a person without the information having to be even checked. Where all day proceedings are held, where the defendants don't get time to get ready for a case. Where the dates on which trails are held are centrally organized for political reasons as in the many cases brought against Ms. Tymoshenko. Where the guilt of Ms. Tymoshenko or Mr. Luzenko as an example are publically broadcasted before a trail starts by the prosecuters office, (Kuzim, Pshonka) or even by the Prime Minister.
    Tymoshenko has changed in 18 years. She wants to improve the standard of live in the Ukraine, she is a patriot. Yanukowich and team see their pockets, for themselves and their family members first. His young son for instance got a good position, "with help", in Dontesk, has mad billions already in the last 1 1/2 years(at least he pays his taxes which is better than others)
    If the key members of the party of the regions were like Tymoshenko and although they are rich, work for the nation, everyone would love them. They are though geting 3-4 times richer and the population poorer and poorer.
    Dave, don't just listen to old propaganda, look what is happening now, read Kiev Post or if you can read in Ukrainian, then the Ukrainian Prawda.

    By :
    Dr. Andreas Andrejciw
    - Posted on :
    22/02/2013
  • Dr Andrejciw - Who pays you for this nonsense?
    Tymoshenko, having successfully salted her Billion$ (scoffed from trading with No value added) in the "West" and away from Ukraine is now hypocritically bleating about being "persecuted." She is subject to surveiliance of a type normal in a penal institution yet her supporters rather than address prison conditions as applied to all, cry in public for special privileges for one spoiled selfish rich girl. Is that what you mean when you say "she wants only the best for the Ukrainian nation."?
    Compare her to Maggy thatcher? Dr Motyl compared her to Nelson Mandela. Is he on the same pay source as you? I think Emelda Marcos of the Philippines with her 3000 pair of shoes is a more realistic comparison.

    In 2010 Ms Temoshenko lost by a clear majority the Presidential run-off election to Mr Yanukovych,a contest that ALL observers save the Gas Princess (and NOW YOU), say was free, fair, and transparent and as good as can be had ANYWHERE, Ukraine or the "West'.

    Yushchenko is disgraced for his treatment of Tymoshenko more than for other reasons; jealous of her popularity exceeding his, he turned on her and initiated the proceedings that have landed her in prison for violating old purge laws that ought to have instead been repealed while the two of them were in power.

    Actually Yushchenko's reluctance to engage on purges (except of her) could be seen as constructive. Democracy (whatever that is at the time and place) relies on the idea of a LOYAL opposition who while enduring the will of the majority, awaits the next expression of that will in hopes of receiving a mandate for themselves.

    As for the benefit of the old laws where Parliament could through manipulations have a majority and "impeach" the president the answer to that is NO!! If government (administration) is responsible to the legislature (parliament) as in Britain and Canada that is one thing, but with a (strong) presidential that would be equivalent to "impeaching" Elizabeth II. Further advice on that matter comes from Winston Churchill who cautioned that whether one is satisfied or not with a duly elected official, that person in the absence of gross mis-conduct, democracy requires waiting for the next democratic opportunity to legally remove same.

    Churchill referred specifically to officials that changed their tune while in office. Yanukovych with his standing for Ukraine in the face of KGB Putin is such a change. Ditto Obama morphing from "The Audacity of Hope" to becoming "The Drone Ranger". Neither being grounds for "impeachment"; indeed with bad enough opposition re-election is possible!
    "Tymoshenko has changed in 18 years"? sorry that is not evident but in any case she had her chance and like her слуга Yushchenko (past) and Yatsennak (present) she is yesterdays news.

    Fortunately for Ukraine there are others waiting, working for the chance to form first a LOYAL opposition and then hopefully government. 2015 will hopefully see progress in this regard.

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    23/02/2013
  • We have enough problems to pay too and since before defence minister of Ukraine now have got asyllum in Denmark country been with european common market since 1972 then it looks kind of dark for Ukraine in EU And to be honest so much corruption in there its a case for Putin im sure he much bette can handle such people like Yanokovich in generally he only president in Ukraine because billionary from Donetsk choosed him all know this.

    Its not democratic and thats also what been told by EU

    Now seen China invested lots of money in farming in there so they get lots of crops Ukraine cant play on all horses

    I not even think Russia will let them after what I have read they say same as EU its Us or EU well now China also involded so kind of complicated and then Timoshenko she should not sit in prison

    But Like say we no need pay taxes to Ukraine also so for us fine no agreement we no need it

    By :
    Bo Petersen
    - Posted on :
    25/02/2013
  • Dave, if that’s your name, no one pays me, who pays you? I wrote you already, unfortunately my mail wasn’t posted because I included a lot of links supporting what I wrote the last time. We’ll this time without a link. You can find all over Internet articles which compare Julia Tymoshenko and Maggy Thatcher, so the idea is not from me alone. You can find under youtube films where party of the region members were openly caught by frauding the last election in favour of Yanukowitch. Put the key words into a internet search machine and you can find everything I wrote. That it was constructive for Yushchenko to work with the oligarchs instead of sending them behind bars is a view that only the oligarchs and the vassals they feed could support. Yushchenko has about almost no voters for him now, thanks to his actions in this matter. The last parliamentary election wasn’t clean, the results you can also find in internet. You quoted Churchhill now “that person in the absence of gross misconduct”. How do you classify what the present Ukrainian government has done till now? The oligarchs are 3 or 4 times richer (read the free Ukrainian press, be careful if it’s a unbiased source or owned by an oligarch) Without tender the Ukrainian national resources are redistributed to oligarchs like Firtash or Achmetov ect…. The judicial System has been taken control through the Executive body. The Prosecutors work together with the judges. Read the Ukrainian press in English for instance from Kiev. So if the opposition wants to impeach President Yanukowitch it is well grounded. If you haven’t heard about this then see what for instance Klitchko says, nothing else! Free demonstrations are often restricted or not allowed by court. By demonstrations officials run around asking people their name and where they work. Heads of demonstrations are sent to court. You can find all these things I say in the archives of the Ukrainian press. Write Ukrainian press in English, maybe Kiev also into internet and you will find sources. Write down the key words of what you are looking for and you will find a lot of material. I see I won’t change your mind, it seems you like the oligarchs around Yanukowitch and don’t see the need for them to answer for their dealings, you’re just against Tymoshenko. Your views are supported by the party of the regions; my views by well-known western Politicians, international organizations and Ukrainian patriots. They are well informed. We could write to each other on and on, I ask the readers to look themselves for press releases and archive material and form their own opinion.
    To the next comment from Bo Petersen:, your right, still we have an obligation in Europe to help out neighbors back on the right track. Punished should be the initators of undemocratic actions and not the poor people living in the country. The people should be supported so that the can strive for a higher standard of living. If there is a chance to highten their income, businesses there will buy more western goods. Income increases by those who sell and by the buyers, so for the east and west, there are more jobs and people can buy more on both sides. Joint ventures could increase etc.... So the association agreement with the Ukraine can be benificial for everyone.

    By :
    Dr. Andreas Andrejciw
    - Posted on :
    26/02/2013
  • I do not know who you are quoting when you say that the last PRESIDENTIAL runoff election was less than honest? At the time all observers, (international and domestic) participants, &c save the Gas Princess, agree that THAT election was free, fair, and transparent. No rumours or "information" posted on the internet since then give a thinking person cause to change that view.

    Remember "information" is NOT "knowledge" and both fall short of producing "wisdom". That requires training in thinking in the abstract as well as logical. For sure the internet is not the best place to research that!

    So my comparing the two little spoiled selfish rich girls, Yulia Tymoshenko and Emelda Marcos, is just as valid as any others. Aside from from strong wills the only comparison to Maggie Thatcher is all three are from the past; I suggest when it comes to looking to the future, is time to move on.

    You are correct when you lament the greed of oligarchy in Ukraine. Unfortunately I do not see any opposition figures offering better? Do you think it would be better to hand the country over to the Koch brothers, Goldman Sachs, the Krupps, or any other "oligarchs" OUTSIDE Ukraine?

    In any case please do NOT assume that I approve of such disparities of wealth wherever such may appear. What is needed is a fair taxation scale whereby wealth exceeding capital requirements for the good of all is heavily taxed; unfortunately those from the EU, USA and elsewhere who bleat about "the family" and its concentrations are not good examples to follow. Does Ukraine need a "Bain Capital"?

    As for the last election, for honesty and fairness it was on a par with Super pac or Photo ID USA and ROBO-CALL Canada; the latter had the crust to include one of its robo-callers in the delegation of "observers" they sent to Ukraine for the parliamentary elections in October!

    However I do not see the Bloc Yulia-Svoboda clique as being any more honest than the Regionaires; why else would they oppose new elections in the five districts where the election authorities have declared the results indeterminable? Also by-elections for the two ex-regionaires who were disqualified by courts need to be held at the same time. (I do not agree with the court sticking into what ought to be an internal RADA matter but this time around under the RADA makes it clear in the future this is one to live with until better days cometh.

    Obviously these seven districts could be much more closely watched than was possible for the election of a full slate of 450. If the Svoboda and Bloc Yulia are so squeaky clean while others are the only dirty players would this not be a good time to display such as fact?

    Or maybe the old tired opposition fears the emerging NEW opposition forces?

    You are correct that trade CAN benefit all but you do not sight the best reason. Economies of scale allow for a more efficient use of constant and fixed capital thereby raising productivity of variable (labour) capital. However this only occurs when taxation and other controls prevent big OLIGARCHIES from hogging it all; do you see this form of taxation anywhere in "The West"

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    27/02/2013
  • Dear Dave let's see if you get this mail.
    Well the elections in presidential elections in 2010 were declared as being "generally" democratic by international observers. The changes in the election law in the last minute was critized. See the first attachments below. What isn't written there though is what results these changes had, that for instance in precincts for instance in Donbas where no opposition member was their to check the ballots, the ballots were could be accepted, so there was no control. The ballot count took the longest in Crimea. Now in one district, Kerch 500,000 came in in a region with 250,000 people. When Tymoshenko ask for a recount the ballots were burnt there in protest. So there could be no recount and check. Yes the elections then were much cleaner than today. Still why was the election law changed just before the election, on a Thursday and signed Friday by Yushchenko? What do you think? The election was very close. If a million votes were stolen, then the outcome would have been differnt. Attached you have a few films of the many all in eastern and southern Ukraine breaches (in this case a few from Crimea) during the presidential campaign. They are basically about unregisterd open boxes full of voting sheets which were accepted by the local precincts during the presidential runoff. As far as the resent parlament elections are concerned, the whole new voting law is internationally seen as beeing much less democratic. Under the old more democratic law, the Ukrainian parlament would look completely different today. After the current election though originally 13 then only 7 districts were contested. Under the present court system it is difficult for the opposition to handle. That's also your answer to the question if it would be good to find the dirty players. Where do you want to start, by the president? Do you think such a president just regarding his estate and not even mentioning all the family members that he has helped to their positions or who got what company and under what conditions, wouldn't he be the first person in front of court?
    As for the Ukrainian natural resources. The Czech Republic did a good job. Each employee got his share. No need for Oligarchs.
    See my attached files now concerning the last presidenial election in the Ukraine:
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/european-parliament-worried-about-last-minute-chan-58691.html?flavour=mobile
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/european-parliament-worried-about-last-minute-chan-58691.html?flavour=mobile
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKj2iRceyLM&list=UUpA3b9gg6kqyxVwhg-uuObA&index=747
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvx_Yp9esms&list=UUpA3b9gg6kqyxVwhg-uuObA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66QFuIi2lu0&list=UUpA3b9gg6kqyxVwhg-uuObA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y6zLQ007QNo&list=UUpA3b9gg6kqyxVwhg-uuObA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IIYEW8SfUw&list=UUpA3b9gg6kqyxVwhg-uuObA
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpeTCf4ZE0c&list=UUpA3b9gg6kqyxVwhg-uuObA

    By :
    Dr. Andreas Andrejciw
    - Posted on :
    27/02/2013
  • Dear Andreas, You seem adept at misinterpreting my words.
    First I am not interested in specifically looking for "dirty players"; whether or not these have been spotlighted (as per some regionaires) or so far remained in the shadows (as per almost all Svoboda-Bloc and other Regionaires) is a mute question. IF NEW elections are to be held in seven districts, EACH of these will be (a) spotlighted in a way impossible in an election for 450,thus making vote frauds more difficult to engineer and (b) test the will of the electorate to put up with aisle crossing, crying foul, real or wolf and party jumping. In the case of the party jumpers this of course is common in all "democracies"; If the individual, rather than the party affiliation is what the majority voted for then next time around that one may win under a different banner. Personally I think that such a scenario ought to require an immediate by-election to test such will; the same applies to the Five districts that were not certified, but as I said before, the RADA has yet to deal with this for the future.

    I also consider this only vaguely connect to The Presidents well documented family wealth accumulation.

    When did the Czechs divvy up Ukraine's Natural resources? Or do you wish to elaborate on this?

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    27/02/2013
  • Hi Dave, we finally agree on a point regarding the 7 districts.
    Regarding the Czechs, I'm talking about what they did in their own country, saying what they did would been much better for the Ukraine.
    Now Ms. Tymoshenko is has a new court case dealing with murder on her shoulders. Here is an example how the current Ukrainian prosecuters office works, the latest news: http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/vlasenko-criminal-cases-were-opened-against-interrogated-witnesses-on-scherban-case-321053.html
    This just underlines what sort of government you are dealing with today in the Ukraine.

    By :
    Dr. Andreas Andrejciw
    - Posted on :
    27/02/2013
  • As per Ms Tymoshenko's murder trial at this point in time I am not going to comment on the merits of the case. Of course I have my doubts as to whether or not anything resembling "justice" can come of a trial such as this but one thing for sure she had better conduct herself in court in a way much different than she did when up on the purge charges.

    Whether or not the court is legitimate or not that one had the power to incarcerate her; She ought to have recognized that fact and have conducted herself accordingly. Refusing to stand and otherwise insulting the judge did her cause no good. Like the RADA the court room requires a different manner to what is appropriate for demonstrating on Mayden sq.

    I also question her choice of a lawyer? A good one would have taken her aside and let her know damn quick that her conduct (in court) was not acceptable, but for ALL the men in her life, she seems to prefer слуги?

    In any case this trial if it goes ahead MAY offer a chance to promote justice in Ukraine. To date there has been one conviction in a scene that involved at least three fake cops pus others I personally hope she is innocent but more important there are other cases as well as this one that it would be good to see progress in solving. The high profile murder of an investigative journalist in which subordinates of an ex-president point the finger is another where justice appears to bee "incomplete".

    If this case goes ahead under the glare of lights maybe some good will come of it.

    Please further note:mI have no axe to grind for Yulia Tymoshenko; however I see her as a negative in the spectre of Ukrainian unity.

    This country has some 42% of its population Including Yanukovych and Temoshenko, with Russian as a first language so her continual screaming about Russification does more harm than good. Because of her and the other end of an axis of evil Svoboda talking of "banning" Russian, it has been necessary for the government to come up with the "regional" language policy (which is only a reality check) and make it law. Of course The 90% of those who voted for independence in 1991 had to include a majority of those whose first language is Russian so with a little diplomacy, POSITIVE promotion and advancement of Ukrainian has worked and will continue to work in the future. According to press releases this week,The President spoke to the EU in the .Ukrainian language

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    27/02/2013
  • Hi, Dave, well Ms. Tymoshenko had no chance at the last trail. In the preliminary investigation by the prosecuters office and then in court took place pratically on a daily bases from the morning into the evening, sometimes to 9 PM. After such a day at court she was brought back to jail, woken uo at 5 AM taken two hours earlier to court. So I can understand her disobedience at court since she actually had no chance from the beginning at this show case. I could send you alot of youtube material on the trail but it's all in Ukrainian. The young judge himself was mixed in earlier court cases with narcotic dealers not sentencing them, and had either to sentence Tymoshenko or have to face charges himself. Well he has now been given a better position for his loyalty to Yanukowitch. Attached is an artical to his promotion and so that you know who Pshonka is and with what sort of person the Ukrainian oppositionals are now dealing.
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/judge-who-jailed-tymoshenko-gets-promotion-321021.html

    Now see a part of the following article from: http://ord-ua.com/2011/03/10/ukrainian-nepotism-in-persons-pshonka-dynasty/
    "The version that seniour Pshonka and the Head of Department of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Donetsk region Vladimir Malyshev were art and part in the murder of dissenting journalist was actively elaborated by the law enforcement authorities in 2005 and the alleged murderers included – the Head of the Directorate of Internal Affairs of Makeyevka of Donetsk region, Albert Vinnichuk, the officer of Criminal Investigations Office of the Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine in Donetsk region, Sergey Shlomin and the Head of the Counter Narcotics Department of the Directorate of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Ukraine in Kiev region, Aleksandr Gerasimenko, who were even apprehended in April 2005 (however for another episode – they were incriminated with poisoning Yury Veredyuk). But after signing the “memorandum” in autumn 2005 between the then President of Ukraine, Viktor Yuschenko and his alleged opponent Viktor Yanukovich that investigation was blocked. It is no secret that closing the criminal cases in reference to the persons proximate to Yanukovich was one of unofficial provisions of the “memorandum”.
    Victim of people’s regime
    In the meantime, in autumn 2005, one more criminal case against Viktor Pshonka investigated by the Prosecutor General’s Office of Ukraine was “let drop”. "

    Here is an article about the Judge who convicted Lutsenko who has received an appartment with a worth of almost 1 million dollars (unfortunately for you in ukrainian, maybe you can recognize the word "million") http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2013/02/18/6983741/
    Maybe you beginn to understand with whom your dealing with when you read about Yanukowitch and the Donetsk mafia.
    What concerns the Russian and Ukrainian language, the Ukrainian suffered under Russification furthering Russians to settle in the Ukraine during the Czarist period and during the Communist period until 1991. So it is a sore point in the Ukraine. The Russian language predominates in newspapers, magazins and on television today. So Russian was never banned.
    Ukrainian speakers on the other hand, fear further russification. Ukrainian speakers can speak Russian, many Russian speakers can not or do not want to speak Ukrainian. Russian speakers of Russian origin were not happy when Ukraine became independant. They fehlt themselves displaced. There was no love for the Ukrainian nation. In Donetsk Basin only money counted now, not the people. These people are in power now. With one State Language taught at schools this situation could gradually change.

    By :
    Dr. Andreas Andrejciw
    - Posted on :
    28/02/2013
  • If more "trials" are held I hope it is not too much to hope for that the glare of international and domestic publicity will produce some resemblance of honesty?

    Unfortunately some of (The West) those that were beacons and provided examples have now themselves gone for throwing "due process" under the bus. Examples? Bradley Manning in USA held without charges for three years. Julian Assange up for "extradition" for crimes of convenience (to the authorities) The "War on Terror" is the convenient excuse for denying basic human rights. Having lived on the USA-Canada border (both sides) I am familiar with past strict due process extradition as well as legitimate "hot pursuits". What once required the requesting country to meet conditions of the granter and to be for specific charges now seldom applies.

    Sorry to be a bit off topic but I am just trying to show that good examples are much harder to find in "The West" than are hypocritical blusters.

    Unfortunately the latter are NOT helpful in places like Romania and Ukraine who are in infancy when it comes to learning how to apply impartial democratic due process!

    I think you and I are not too far apart on the language problem(s) in Ukraine.

    While a policy of "Russifying" anything and everything in the Soviet Union is well known, historical fact, it is important to note that of the 21 million Ukrainian citizens who have Russian as their first language, only about half of them are Ethnic Russians. The other half are of the various peoples who can be called "indigenous" to this land, but through economic reality became Russified. They in particular are interested in the language (various dialects) of their ancestors and will support Ukrainian as the principal language of instruction in schools.

    Understandably Ethnic Russians with split loyalties will be less supportive but they too can think; I.e. would any thinker not prefer to live in Ukraine where 4000 demonstrators can gather on Mayden, and Fenem can set its own dress code when it expresses support for those oppressed anywhere? Compare this with what was done to Pussy Riot; as punishment for trespassing (in bad taste) that great defender of the faith KGB Putin and his crony Kirill managed to send two of them up for two years for blasphemy in a Svoviet style gulag. Pointing out these differences with Russia is the way to gain support of ALL Ukrainians; loud vulgar insults and/or threats to 'Ban' teaching Russian are counterproductive.

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    28/02/2013
  • Hi Dave, the bandits have struck again. The Ukrainian court (in all western eyes unlawfully) stripped Tymoshenkos star defendant of his parlamentary mandate opening him for legal action against his person. Mr. Vlasenko always hit the dead eye when with his critic against the the ruling crooks. No one could better than he unmask their illegal actions. He was the biggest thorn in the eyes of the prosecuters office and Yanukowich. http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/tymoshenkos-top-defender-stripped-of-parliamentary-immunity-321367.html

    By :
    Dr. Andreas Andrejciw
    - Posted on :
    06/03/2013
  • I am aware of this action and here is my(so far)neutral response (original comment in Kyiv Post):
    David Tarbuck · Uzhgorod, Zakarpats'Ka Oblast', Ukraine
    Is this according to Law? If so is it good legislation that protects a level playing field for all lawyers? Would sitting in Parliament with immunity and at the same time as practicing law be a conflict of interests? Are there other members of the legislature who have run up against this? If so is Vlasenko being dealt the same justice aas others?

    All of above beg answers before shouting insults at the court or government.

    In particular let the sanctimonious "West" do a little thinking and let us know precisely what might happen in some of their own entities;I.e. what are the restrictions placed on lawyer-client relations when the Lawyer is also a Legislator? Please this before the clarion calls for selective justice on the West's own terms.

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    07/03/2013
  • David Tarbuck · Uzhgorod, Zakarpats'Ka Oblast', Ukraine
    As they have to date been presented BOTH the "Customs Union" and the "Association Agreement ought to be rejected by Ukraine.

    KGB Putin's C.U. is an OVERT bully boy move to regurgitate the former S.U.; dismissing that one is thus the obvious way to go.

    The threat from the EU is covert and hidden at the bottom of the bag of carrots (and candy) thus there is the hidden danger born of not actually comprehending what a naive entity such as Ukraine might let itself in for. Those who offer such carrots are just as eager for the powers of "regime change" as are the other above mentioned bully boys of the Soviet Union.

    Obviously many look at German automobiles and French perfumes through rose coloured lens and ignore the realities of: Greece, Portugal, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, &c. How realistic is it to think that Ukraine's road to Paris or Berlin will be shorter than that for any of the above?

    The correct course for Ukraine at this point in time is to pursue:
    1) Self help; make it ourselves e.g trams, buses, rail-cars,
    2) Free trade among equals world-wide with reciprocity and protectionism limited to defence against predatory trading practices.
    3) special attention to developing relations with such as:
    Turkey, China, Iran, India, Egypt, Georgia, Celac, African Union and all of N.A.M.
    4) good relations with C.U. and EU on the same basis as these others.

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    07/03/2013
  • Dear Dave, good you didn't comment on Vlasenko, you already know I wouldn't write something without having written facts supporting what I write. No the situation agin plus the third link which states that 37 members of the regional party which have a seat in parlament combine their work with advocacy.
    According to the rules of parlament this is not allowed. Just before Vlasenko lost his mandate at court the court stripped one deputy party of the regions also of his seat in parlament(Verevsko)as a token. What about the 36 other deputies?
    Now Vlasenko had given up his advocay on the 22. of February officially already. He aided and aids Tymoshenko at court not as a lawyer but as a member of parlament with great knowledge in law, alongside and helping Tymoshenkos'lawyer Plakhotnjuk who is always present at court. Vlasenko had immunity till now and couldn't be put under pressure like most of Tymoshenkos lawyers were put under while defending her last year.
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/kolesnichenko-denies-combining-his-parliamentary-work-with-advocacy-321307.html
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/ukraine-court-strips-tymoshenko-ally-of-parliament-seat-321376.html
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/top-tymoshenko-lawyer-loses-parliamentary-immunity-321371.html
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine-abroad/business-new-europe-eu-slams-ukraine-decision-to-strip-tymoshenkos-lawyer-of-rada-seat-321386.html
    http://www.kyivpost.com/content/politics/european-lawmaker-if-vlasenko-jailed-ukraine-eu-association-agreement-wont-be-signed-321385.html

    By :
    Dr. Andreas Andrejciw
    - Posted on :
    07/03/2013
  • Dear Dave your comparison of Ukraine at least in economics to Portugal, Romania etc.. is correct. Now Ms. Merkel and other central European leaders all knew what it ment for them when these countries join the EU. From the "protectivism" point of view, naturally Germany and co. would have it easier without these countries in the EU. But what are the goals for a united Europe? A good standard of living for everyone in Europe. This isn't easy to do. It is a plan for the future, which is being worked on. Ukraine in the EU would receive the same help as Poland did. Now what has Poland like 10 years ago and now? There is a big change. Highways supported by EU money have been built accross the country and so on. The problem is of political nature in the Ukraine. Russia lives from gas, still outside of Moscow and St. Petersberg, life is not that dandy. Ukraine won't change on the side of Russia or by doing trade with China, just like the greatest part of Russia hasn't changed.
    With EU money Ukraine could change. If EU money disappears, like in Romania then the transfers are stopped. A good way to learn.
    EU investments have to be controlled, more than in the past, for instance the costs of the last soccer games in the Ukraine, stadiums, roads and so forth. The right politics is important first. For that you need the right politicians and right political forces there in power.

    By :
    Dr. Andreas Andrejciw
    - Posted on :
    07/03/2013
  • "37 members of the regional party which have a seat in parlament combine their work with advocacy. According to the rules of parliament this is not allowed." ??y

    On the surface keeping advocacy as much separated from legislating as is possible is only common sense; conflicts of interest ought to be kept to a minimum.

    For the 37 regionaires this does not appear to be fair play. Unless the government can show that ALL advocates/Parliamentarians are subject to the same rules, and they are uniformly enforced, singling one does indeed make for "selective" justice which is in fact a lack of "true" justice.

    However I think the best thing those of us who want transparent fair play, irregardless if where the chips fall it would be wise to keep up the pressure but leave aside the insults or accolades.

    I.E. a campaign for the good government that Ukraine has never really had, past or present; hope for better in future.

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    07/03/2013
  • The main goal for Europe was originally peace between Germany and France; i.e. those two had for three hundred years periodically wasted themselves in warfare. Ergov the EEC came about and the nearly seventy years of peace between them is a milestone. The EU progress toward a confederation is a natural outgrowth; ultimately the Centrale in Brussels must achieve the power to veto ANY states deployment of military outside that states borders but that will be a while in coming.

    In the meantime such absurdities as the single state veto of the Centrale budget and other matters of substance has to go. (do they want to raise the total veto options from 27 to 35 or more?) Next would be the currency; the ЄURO must be made the sole currency for dealings BETWEEN members. Internally each to be able to do as they wish, but trade between Britain and Poland for example needs to be ONLY in ЄUROS. Then comes migration ;internal EU or external to it such movement including all visas to be under the SOLE control of the Centrale.

    Only after these internal problems are under control will the EU be in a position to contemplate expansion of membership. By not admitting that this obvious situation is a barrier to further expansion,they are being less than candid to themselves as well as others.

    In the meantime if they want to offer "free trade" on the same or very similar conditions as they are working on with (authoritarian) Singapore, (sparse) Canada, and the huge USA then "welcome!!! Obviously they are not policing elections or courts in any of the above; though each has shortcomings.

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    07/03/2013
Background: 

The December 2011 EU-Ukraine Summit failed to initial the country's Association Agreement with the Union, largely due to the imprisonment of former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko that Brussels sees as politically motivated.

The five-year negotiations over the Association Agreement were concluded, but EU leaders made it clear that the deal would not be signed until improvements are made to the "quality of democracy and rule of law" in Ukraine.

The entering into force of the 906-pages paper has a geopolitical dimension, because Russia is taking advantage of the EU-Ukraine stalemate to advance its own agenda.

Download the leaked EU-Ukraine association agreement here.

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