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Barnier: ‘Many citizens are worried by a European project that has no limits’

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Published 04 September 2013

EXCLUSIVE / The EU’s internal market commissioner Michel Barnier, a convinced European and known federalist, has come out in favour of limits being imposed on the European project, telling EurActiv.fr in an exclusive interview that he understood concerns expressed by the far-right and other eurosceptics. But he said Europe should also dare to venture into new areas such as defence and industrial policy.

Barnier has backed calls to limit the powers of the European Commission, agreeing with French President François Hollande that clear boundaries need to be defined.

“The country's budget, the content and quality of reforms remain the responsibility of the government of France and the Parliament,” Barnier said, stressing that French “sovereignty” on such areas should not be called into question.

The Commission and France became embroiled in a war of words in June after the EU executive issued Paris with prescriptive recommendations on economic reforms, a move that fell foul with the French President, who said the EU should not “dictate” reforms to member states.

Barnier backed those claims saying Europe should think of rolling back policies in areas where national or regional governments are more efficient – in line with the ‘subsidiarity principle’. His wish is for Europe to be able to do more in some areas and less in others.

“What less can we do here in Brussels? Subsidiarity is very important. Many citizens are concerned about a European project that has no limits or boundaries. Some should probably be established.”

“But we are not alone,” Barnier warned in the same breath, arguing that eurozone countries had special responsibilities with each other and were “bound by a settlement of co-ownership”.

“What more can we do? I will argue for a European industrial policy. It is important that European leaders again find the courage and boldness we had with the ECSC [European Coal and Steel Community]. I will argue for a European Defence Community, which will not be the same that we had imagined in 1954. These are issues on which Europeans together must do more and better.”

Discussions on deepening fiscal and economic integration among the 17 eurozone countries are expected to conclude this year at an EU summit on 19-20 December. Paris was initially reluctant to modify the EU treaties after facing difficulties to ratify a new fiscal discipline pact in 2012.

But François Hollande finally embraced the idea after winning concessions that the next phase of integration would also include steps to strengthen “the social dimension” of the economic and monetary union.

>> Read: Hollande: Treaty change ‘necessary’ to deepen eurozone

Many ideas have already been put forward, including giving the Commission powers to vet national budgets and set up an EU “treasury office” responsible for issuing common debt, or Eurobonds.

But Barnier deplored that such discussions were not brought to the attention of the general public and national lawmakers.  He suggested that France appoint a group of respected politicians to prepare a report on Europe and put it out for debate to the wider public.

“Germany usually has more precise ideas than ours about the future of Europe. In France, it is a difficult topic,” he said, conceding that the issue was “divisive” for both his centre-right UMP party, and the ruling socialist party.

“What I would dream of is a kind of national convention, a national public debate on the European vision of France. Good ideas can be everywhere – with Mr Mélenchon, the UMP, the Greens, the centrists…. We must also listen to other stances, such as those brought forward by the extreme right.”

“The public debate requires more democracy and listening to people. We cannot do Europe for the people without them.”

>> Read the full interview on EurActiv.fr (in French)

Next steps: 
  • 22 Sept. 2013: General elections in Germany
  • 24-25 Oct. 2013: EU summit to agree social dimension of the single currency
  • 19-20 Dec. 2013: EU summit to decide way forward for deepening fiscal and economic integration in the euro area. The summit will also discuss plans to re-launch cooperation on defense policy.
  • 25 May 2014: European elections in France
Frédéric Simon

COMMENTS

  • No limits has only the U.S. Governement which really is strong centralized in comparing with our european institutions!

    Set up an EU “treasury office” responsible for issuing common debt, or Eurobonds !
    Indeed this is a very important policies but why still waiting so long to realize in implementing iT!

    Not an European Defence Community but ONE United European Defence Forces in one european flag :-)would be less uncomplicated and less expensive !

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    04/09/2013
  • The USA although it is one nation has more subsidarity for its states than the eussr has which is not a nation although some traitors consider it to be.

    The eussr economical model is a basket case where the independent auditors have been unable to sign off the annual accounts for over 20 years because the eussr mandarins lose billions every year with no idea where the money went, getting rid of the eussr budget entirely would help the area no end.

    Barnier is right that we need less eussr not more but not that that important areas such as defence are better served by the corruption ridden democratically deficient eussr. No sanr person would want a failed politician like the sleazy barrosso deciding on whether to send their nations young into a pointless conflict.

    By :
    Barry Davies
    - Posted on :
    04/09/2013
  • Why does "an European" keep comparing Europe with the USA? It has a totally different history, and has diverged considerably from the original european settlers' vision. I lived there for a while, and really liked it and the Americans, but to suggest it is a model for the EU is total crap.

    By :
    Charles_M
    - Posted on :
    04/09/2013
  • However the United states of Northamerica was formed into a nation in when 13 states Leader signed unanimiously in Philadelphia this treaty. But it's still an Union of 50 states as a national Unit ! There are sovereign powers to states with a federal policy shared !

    Again The EMU needs federal policies too which doesn't neither affect the culture concerning the economy!

    Where is the Problem with you guys ?

    I am with the proposal of Blair which is more democratic! So people would have the choice to elect!
    I'm not a friend of a "fixed" Council but this doesn't mean that i should be against your "EUSSR" nor am I against the british europeans
    This B proposal will come in time!

    Even you could offend me , attack, or disgrace my opinion or whatever but i've my point of vieuw !

    In Europe a lot of people in which concerning their discussions about an democratically united Europe have zero problems with it !

    El Pluribus Unum

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    04/09/2013
  • The USA wasn't dumped together, and never expected some states to impoverish themselves to support others, it also had a civil war during its early years but it was a nation that evolved with a common language and a common credo, unlike the eussr. There is no rational argument to compare the eussr with the USA whereas the USSR and the eussr are very close in their set up.

    The EMU is a disaster and this is because it was a political idea not an economic one, it doesn't need federal policies, it already has the eurozone group which aledgedly decide on its policies why should the remainder of the nations stuck in this corruption ridden democratically deficent area be governed by the countries that adopted the euro?

    What is the problem with you that you can't see the wood for the trees?

    You can have your point of view, but tell me which village is missing its idiot while you are posting here?

    I realise that there are a lot of people in the eussr who are easily lead by the propaganda but then again that was true of the Weimar republic as well, and we all know where that lead. I have a lot of problems with the democratic deficit that is not only endemic in the eussr but seems to be deliberately adopted.

    By :
    Barry Davies
    - Posted on :
    04/09/2013
  • >>"The USA wasn't dumped together, and never expected some states to impoverish themselves to support others"

    Here:
    1.Detroit, Michigan
    2.Buffalo, New York
    3.Cleveland, Ohio 2
    4.Miami, Florida
    5.Cincinnati, Ohio
    6.Milwaukee, Wisconsin
    7.Newark, New Jersey
    8.St. Louis, Missouri
    9.Memphis, Tennessee
    10.Philadelphia

    Neither the European Union or the U.S. did it so !
    However local or national Gov's did it!

    >>with a common language and a common credo, unlike the eussr?!!!

    Common language is 65% english a common of 35 % spanish

    However, no official language exists at the federal level!
    The whole left NA coast is Spanish spoken!
    Were you in Los Angeles or San Francisco ? I doubt !
    There have been several proposals to make English the national language in amendments to immigration reform bills,but none of these bills has become law with the amendment intact.

    The United States is too diversified as you see!
    There are even no needs to act like an Ron Paul!

    >>The EMU is a disaster and this is because it was a political idea not an economic one, it doesn't need federal policies.

    The EMU is Not a disaster in contrary and
    Yes It needs some federal policies unlike you said !

    Swiss, German , Australia are all federal !
    IF you don't understand the federalism or the EMU prerequisites you however can be letting teach by swiss & german economic experts!
    With many forms of federalism such as bi-federalism and so on!
    Indeed "which village is missing its idiot " whilst i know how about cheese is made and therefore offended someone

    El Pluribus Unum

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    05/09/2013
  • Lets see, I mention states, an european mentions specific cities, they are not the same thing so I see no point in mentioning them.

    The official language of the USA is English the Spanish speakers are immigrants from South America, that they haven't bothered to learn English is just a bad refelction on them they go to a country to better themselves but can't be bothered to learn its language. That is not a positive outcome for anyone.

    I think that the whole left North american coast is the west coast and Spanish and other languages are spoken there as well as throughout the rest of America, foreigners tend to speak their own language when they go to other countries, I certainly do if I go to a european country where I am a foreigner.

    The USA was built by people fleeing europe and other natons to get a better life, people are still fleeing europe for the same reasons just as they are fleeing some eussr nations to go to others within the eussr, what is your point exactly?

    The EMU was and remains a disaster it created the euro which is causing most of the economic problems in the eussr at the present, federal policies will not aid the piigs nations, it will just leave them incapable of participating on a level play ground with the rest of the world in the trade arena. You are just a power grabbing eurofederalist who is incapable of realising that this will only lead to another major war on the continent of europe.

    The Swiss are a free federal nation not a multi national federal nation, they had the sense to stay out of the eussr.

    Are you sure you know how Cheese is made, perhaps you can tell the unelected commissioners all about it, then they will make regulations to change it.

    Your village is desperate for your return.

    By :
    Barry Davies
    - Posted on :
    05/09/2013
  • Mr Barnier is probably the only heavy weight Commissioner that the EU have. I don't necessarily agree with all he says, but he takes the job seriously and is highly competent. It therefore worries me when he makes the following statement:

    “What more can we do? I will argue for a European industrial policy. It is important that European leaders again find the courage and boldness we had with the ECSC [European Coal and Steel Community]. I will argue for a European Defence Community, which will not be the same that we had imagined in 1954. These are issues on which Europeans together must do more and better.”

    I would argue that the British Military is simply head and shoulders above the bigger nations in the EU (with apologies to France). European defence will be the defining issue for Britain and the British. Cooperation is fine and I am a supporter of NATO but if we surrender our right to self determination and allow ourselves to be dragged into the spider's web, it will be the end of Britain as we know it. The EU and NATO will also lose as the regimental system that we have works for us and I do not believe that this can be transferred to an EU defence force without diluting and losing its experience and camaraderie.

    By :
    George Mc
    - Posted on :
    06/09/2013
  • Unless you have Britain and France as paid mercenaries for the EU , the idea of an European defence Force is laughable as many countries are effectively pacifist .
    you cannot mix multinational troops and say there's an Army . Many British servicemen would resign , rather than serve in an EU defence force .

    By :
    David Barneby
    - Posted on :
    07/09/2013
  • It is unconstitutional to give the EU or, via its vetoing right, Germany and its Northern allies, any right to veto member countries' budget! If that is where the "European project" is supposed to be heading, if what it means today to be a federalist, then I will use all my efforts to get this idiocy ripped apart!

    By :
    Charles
    - Posted on :
    09/09/2013
  • The European defence project is nonsense! What Germany wants is the EU to be a neutral power broker between the US and Russia: that is the real reason for Merkel's dithering on Syria. And for Van Rompuy's immediate assertion at the beginning of the summit that the EU was not in favour of military interaction, without any consultation of France and Britain. But when the US wants something from Russia, it asks Russia directly. This is something that Germany will never understand. All that Germany wants is enough neutrality in order to advance its very own commercial interests in Russia. In order to do that, it wants to coax France and the UK into its Pax Germanica: that is the European Defense project! The country with the smallest army and the smallest defense budget coaxing two of its victors and their glorious armies into its self-interested neutrality!
    The European defense project can only consist of a Franco-British and Polish-Turkish axis directed against Russia and of a permanently demilitarized Germany.

    By :
    Charles
    - Posted on :
    09/09/2013
  • @ Charles

    Quote It is unconstitutional to give the EU or, via its vetoing right, Germany and its Northern allies, any right to veto member countries' budget!Unquote

    I agree but your man, Sarkozy, did sign up to the 'Two Pack'. I know Stupid name

    By :
    George Mc
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
  • The eussr should not have any "competency" to use its word for power grab, in any military decision making, that should remain with the individual country. We have seen that democratic means can stop a national leader sending troops into a war, the eussr is not democratic and we would have a failed politician like rumpy deciding to send a nations young people into a war zone that are not even his fellow country men. France apparently are the only nation that wants to attack Syria, even the US do not have a mandate from the people to do it, so let them go into the fight, they might actually win something that they are involved in for the first time in 100 years.

    By :
    Barry Davies
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
  • The eussr is holding back economic recovery with its stupidity in this arena, the overbearing micro management and "fining" nations for not meeting its objectives is perverse, the best way forwards would be to scrap the euro, so that the nations regain some fiscal responsibility. The eurozone is the major problem in the global recovery.

    By :
    Barry Davies
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
  • @ George Mc
    The two-pack and the six-pack are also unconstitutional. Whatever limits budgetary sovereignty is unconstitutional because unfringed budgetary sovereignty is a fundamental right of a free people. The constitutional courts didn't shoot down the two-pack because it is worded in wobbly Brusselspeak and gave it the benefit of the doubt by considering it inocuous. This is why I am firmly against eurobonds, because their fiscal counterpart is unconstitutional.

    By :
    Charles
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
  • @ Charles
    I sympathise with your point of view.
    What mystifies me is that our civil servants, lawyers and politicians agree to these pacts and treaties and then find them a problem afterwards.

    If you accept that the Euro must be protected, what can be done to find a solution which is acceptable to France?

    By :
    George Mc
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
  • Barry Davies
    You are right , the only way forward is to scrap the Euro . Part of the reason for protecting the Euro is that as an independent currency it is traded around he world . Unfortunately the countries who use it as their currency , have no flexibility to raise or lower the value of their currency , many are stuck in a rut of uncompetivity that they will never escape from . Protecting the Euro will bring no solution at all .

    By :
    David Barneby
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
  • Yes David you and Barry way well be right but Germany as the ringmaster of the EU does quite well out of it even allowing for baleouts.

    By :
    George Mc
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
  • George Mc
    Yes you are right , Germany is " Nigger in the woodpile ", who does very well out of the Euro and heaven help Greece or any other country that might default and cause a collapse of the Euro .
    So , we shouldn't worry too much if Germany has to keep bailing out greece to keep the Euro alive .
    Never the less the economic crisis in Europe will never right itself until countries have their own currency again to devalue how they like . Countries like Germany will find a limited market , because within the EU penny pinching will remain .
    The EU has a forseeable future in which the market will remain very slow .

    By :
    David Barneby
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
  • @ George Mc
    Triple the EU budget to pay for EU-funded minimum unemployment benefits and EU-funded bank recapitalizations. Fund this budget with federally levied taxes rather than German blackmail (a.k.a. "member state contributions"). In exchange, let member states default on their own debt (Texas does not guarantee California state debt, neither does the Federal Government).

    By :
    Charles
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
  • @ Charles

    An interesting one. If this was something that was too politically hot to handle by the UK would it work with just the Euro nations?

    By :
    George Mc
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
  • Tripling the EU budget is out of the question ; for certain the UK would oppose it and most of the Eurozone couldn't afford . Only recently there were objections to any increase in the EU budget . the EU is already too expensive and frankly not worth it .

    By :
    David Barneby
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
  • well only 3 nations are actually net contributors Germany The UK and France has been since 2005, so it would get a majority vote to triple it from the non contributors. It would be more than enough to tip the British populace, if not the political class against continued membership of this already overpriced club.

    By :
    Barry Davies
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
  • @ George mc

    Not just euro nations, in fact any member state that is not principally anti-european like the UK or the Czech Republic. But for euro nations it is necessary to have a bank recapitalization fund in order for these states to be able to default while staying in the eurozone. The eurozone as it is now does not allow states to default or devaluate (only default combined with an exit), and hence the only adjustment variable are real wages. Introducing automatic stabilizers that are truly federal (rather than national and "harmonized") would make the eurozone and the EU more growth- and voter-friendly.

    By :
    Charles
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2013
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Michel Barnier, European Commissioner in charge of Internal Market and Services (Photo: EC)
Background: 

European leaders have opened a discussion about deepening economic integration as part of their longer term plans to solve the debt crisis in the euro area.

At a summit in December, EU leaders endorsed the idea of a "specific and time-bound roadmap" for deepening Economic and Monetary Union (EMU), which was initially planned to be agreed at their June 2013 meeting but was later postponed to December.

>> Read: December 2012 summit conclusions [pdf]

European Council President Herman Van Rompuy said that the roadmap would cover four issues:

  • The coordination of major economic reforms in the Member States, including through ex ante discussions.
  • The social dimension of the EMU.
  • The feasibility and modalities of mutually-agreed contracts for competitiveness and growth between governments and EU institutions.
  • Solidarity mechanisms that can enhance the efforts made by the member countries that enter into such contractual arrangements.

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