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Van Rompuy opposes direct election of the EU’s top leaders

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Published 30 November 2012, updated 02 September 2013

Directly electing the European Commission President at the 2014 EU elections would “organise the disappointment in advance”, said European Council President Herman Van Rompuy. Directly electing his own successor would be “even more absurd”, he added in comments that are likely to irritate proponents of increased democracy in the European institutions.

Van Rompuy's statement, made at a public conference in Brussels on Wednesday (28 November), runs in direct opposition with the EU's major political families, who in their majority, would like to “give faces” to the next European elections in May 2014.

But Van Rompuy warned that the “huge legitimacy” stemming from the direct election of “a European top candidate” at the next European elections could be counterproductive.

The European Council President spoke at a conference on the future of the European Union organised by the Belgian Foreign Ministry, the Bertelsmann Foundation and the King Baudouin Foundation.

The forum was aimed at discussing the Final Report of the Future of Europe Group in a wider circle, which included EU affairs pundits, MEPs and civil society representatives.

The self-appointed Future of Europe Group consists of the foreign ministers of Austria, Belgium, Denmark, France, Germany, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Poland, Portugal and Spain. [more]

According to the proposal by the 11 ministers, one key step to increasing the democratic legitimacy is that each political party nominates a top candidate for the next European Parliament elections, who would also stand for the post of Commission President. The idea is shared by the three largest political families (see background).

‘A huge legitimacy’

But Van Rompuy said he had already warned the ministers at a meeting held on the sidelines of the last General Assembly of the United Nations in September.

“I said it in New York: you give this man or this woman a huge legitimacy. But if you keep the same competence for the top job, you organise the disappointment in advance,” Van Rompuy told the audience, where two of the ministers were sitting – Germany’s Guido Westerwelle and Belgium’s Didier Reynders.

Van Rompuy said the whole effort was doomed to fail, unless the Commission itself would be given more powers vis-à-vis the member states.

“If this is not going hand in hand with large powers for the Commission, then forget it,” he said.

Van Rompuy added that he had also heard that “some mention” the direct election of the President of the European Council, his own job.

“This is even more absurd. Because then you create a figure which is a real rival of the President of the European Commission, also directly elected. He has to create compromises among the leaders. And you give him a legitimacy even higher than of the participants in the Council. So how can he find at the end of the day compromise or consensus?” Van Rompuy said.

'Gadget institutional changes'

Van Rompuy livened up the atmosphere by alluding to his own job, created by the Lisbon Treaty.

“We have in the Union a tendency of solving problems by creating new institutions, new jobs. It was only once a success: by creating the permanent President of the European Council. I don’t know other good examples,” he said amid laughs.

In November 2009, Van Rompuy was elected by heads of state and government as Council President largely because of his capacity to be a discrete and consensual EU top operator.

The Council President also appeared to pour cold water over appeals for another EU treaty change.

“We have to be careful when we speak about treaty changes,” he said, adding that a lot could be achieved within the current legal framework. “Even on own resources we can do a lot within the European treaties,” he stated.

“After 2014 we have to say precisely what we want to change in the treaties, and not embark on what I call, when I’m in the wrong mood, gadget institutional changes,” Van Rompuy said.

‘Cultural prejudice’

Van Rompuy said he was “concerned” about the cultural prejudice in the Union and the psychological differences between North and South. But he added that he had discovered at the last summit on 22-23 November that there was neither a homogeneous group of the net contributors, nor of the net recipients.

“Half of the net contributors, not only in numbers, but in importance, are not asking for rebates. And almost all of the net recipients were not complaining about the level of the cuts I proposed,” Van Rompuy said.

Even in the so-called North there was “a huge cultural difference” among the countries, Van Rompuy argued. On whether or not the Union should help Greece, there is a huge debate in the Netherlands, but only a minor one in Belgium, Van Rompuy said. Similarly, he said that in France there was practically no debate on Greece, while in Germany Greece was in the heart of the political debate.

“So it’s much more complicated that North and South,” he said.

Squaring the circle of the EU budget

Van Rompuy basically expressed optimism that it would be possible to reach agreement, rather sooner than later, on the EU budget for the period 2014-2020. He compared the magnitude of the task with the adoption of national budgets. In his country Belgium, the budget for 2013 was recently adopted after 18 hours of heated debate.

“With Jean-Luc and Didier not in the same government, but in the same country, we did budgets with five partners, with six partners," said Van Rompuy, referring to former Prime Minister Jean-Luc Dehaene and Didier Reynders, former Deputy Prime Minister and former Minister of Finance, currently foreign minister, both of whom were present at the debate.

"But imagine you are in a country with 27 parties around the table, and you have to make a budget in a few hours. It is more than a caricature to say that you can realise that in one go,” Van Rompuy said.

He continued by saying that each of those countries was representing a coalition government. “So I don’t know how many parties are around the table,” he said.

In addition, the EU budget has to receive the approval of the European Parliament, and is a budget for seven years – no country has such a budget.

“If we succeed to have an agreement in two stages, I will consider it a major success. I don’t exclude it. As the French President said, 'C’est jouable', it’s doable,” Van Rompuy said.

27 egoists?

Van Rompuy strongly objected to the stereotype that the heads and government of EU countries behave like “traders at a Turkish market”, as one politician recently described them.

“There are no 27 egoists around the table. Of course if you are a Prime Minister or a President, you have to defend your national interests, that’s why you are elected for. But at the end, you have to take into account the European interest, because in the end it’s also your interest. And we are not saying it enough,” Van Rompuy said.

He also said he found the heads of state and government very different on the first day of the summit, when the bilateral “confessionals” were held, and on the next day.

“Those who are around the table Friday at lunchtime, most of them were fully aware of the European interest also. There will always be a mixture of these two kinds of approaches,” Van Rompuy said. 

Next steps: 

May or June 2014: European Elections

Georgi Gotev

COMMENTS

  • He likes to be EU President without normal elections?

    By :
    He likes
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • He is ANTI democratic and wants to continue as the favoured 'old by' head of the EU>

    By :
    david tarbuck
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • IT 's NOT counterproductive!
    It's an EUROPAN VALUE !!
    It's up to european citizen to elect their EU-President!
    Mr Van Schlumpfboy :

    WE ARE EUROPANS AND WE HAVE THE RIGHT TO ELECT !!!

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • So he finds democracy inconvenient. Should we be so surprised?

    Journalistic illiteracy and cowardice in some EU countries only protects politicians when they say stupid things like this. A free press would make mincemeat of him and many other so-called leaders.

    By :
    thousand lights
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • M. van Rompuy complains that current Treaty rules impose a unanimous agreement of 27 countries to agree on the multi annual budget - but he says that changing that rule is "a gadget" !!
    Comprenne qui pourra .
    This type of reasoning is in any case irrelevant to the opening constitutional debate; it will take place without M. van Rompuy.

    JGG

    By :
    Jean-Guy Giraud
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • Wise words from the President. Before we start with more rounds of treaty change, we should be sensible and conserve and shore up what we have. The European Council legitimately sits at the summit of an intricate, multi-level,legitimate and democratic governance system, organically developed over a long period with multiple checks and balances. Which other 'parliament' brings together such a diverse range of democratically elected, legitimate state representatives to decide on an equal footing important matters such as budgets and economic governance? Outside of perhaps Switzerland this is almost unheard of. Pro-Europeans (and I am one) should start to celebrate as wholly legitimate our European Council with its debates, disagreements and trading. This is the stuff of accountable politics - each member is wholly accountable to his electorate - ask Mark Rutte how it feels to be accountable after having to go back on his irresponsible claims over Greek debt at election time. All other federations were built on the principle of states' rights first - ours should be no different. Our states are a major source of the EU's delicate but profound legitimacy.

    By :
    Richard Washington
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • I am definitely not a fan of Van Rompuy but please read what he is saying before being critical.

    Van Rompuy said Quote
    But Van Rompuy warned that the “huge legitimacy” stemming from the direct election of “a European top candidate” at the next European elections could be counter productive.

    “I said it in New York: you give this man or this woman a huge legitimacy. But if you keep the same competence for the top job, you organise the disappointment in advance,”

    Van Rompuy said the whole effort was doomed to fail, unless the Commission itself would be given more powers vis-à-vis the member states.

    As someone who wants the UK to leave the EU, even I understand the lack of democracy and legitimacy. What Van Rompuy is saying is that a half way house is not the way to go. He wants the full legitimacy. I should not have to tell you how to organise yourselves but surely people can understand that if you vote someone into the top job, without power, then it is going to end in tears!

    George Mc

    By :
    George Mc
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • George Mc - nice to see you are back and I totally concur.
    John Williams - hello, pleased to meet you. The darker side of me kind of agrees with what you are saying but I always thought it was Sieg Heil (hail the victory). With the Nazis, so much of their public antics looked and were very threatening and sinister. With van Rompuy, I feel we should all remain seated and say, in fairly bored, apathetic tones, "Arsch Heil"! all the while patting our mouths as if yawning.

    By :
    Don Latuske
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • I do wonder how the election of the president of the EU would work in practice... In fact it would not, unless, maybe, there was a much stronger integration of the EU countries.

    By :
    ray
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • ANTI DEMOCRAT
    THIS IS NOT ACCEPTABLE
    HE SHOULD RESIGN

    By :
    DAMIAN
    - Posted on :
    30/11/2012
  • @George Mc

    " What Van Rompuy is saying is that a half way house is not the way to go. He wants the full legitimacy. I should not have to tell you how to organise yourselves but surely people can understand that if you vote someone into the top job, without power, then it is going to end in tears "

    I agree with you !

    But what does it mean by full legitimacy?
    How much power?
    How long would this take ?
    I don't believe this will happen until mid 2014 ?
    Still that the Bank-union and political union is not achieved ...
    There are a lot of Questions opened !

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    01/12/2012
  • It is becoming more and more apparent that the EU is turning into a Third Reich, a non-democratic democracy

    By :
    Ray Rowland
    - Posted on :
    01/12/2012
  • @ an european

    You said Quote
    But what does it mean by full legitimacy?
    How much power?
    How long would this take ?
    I don't believe this will happen until mid 2014 ?
    Still that the Bank-union and political union is not achieved ...
    There are a lot of Questions opened ! Unquote

    This is a really difficult question for me to answer as I would prefer the UK to exit the EU and negotiate a trade agreement. I therefore have not really given it a lot of thought.
    I think however that you are French or Belgian so you must have some ideas of your own as to how the EU should work (I am not against that happening).

    The simplistic answer is to have everyone elected and this would probably be done along party lines
    i.e. Right Wing, Left Wing, Centre Party and I would of course suggest that you have a protest party (In the UK we had “The Monster Raving Looney Party”). I have read somewhere that the Commission or Parliament have suggested that they would only allow political parties which extend across national boundaries, thereby nullifying national politics. Personally I am not sure how engaged the electorate would be with that as regardless of how hard you try to put this together, we are very disparate peoples in terms of culture and language. Language for me is the big one because if you cannot communicate then you are lost. The nuances of language are also important as this can cause huge misunderstanding. I have spent hours on EU websites (Parliament and Commission) looking for information to inform my arguments and I have many times been defeated, and indeed lost the will to live, as the Brussels way of speaking English bares no relationship to the language I use. It is total Euro-Babble!

    Another possibility which might gain more workable is for Elected representatives from each countries parliament (same rules as for Commissioners, based on size of country) be nominated by their home Parliament to serve for a fixed term between elections. These elected representatives would be offered to the elected President of the EU to form his/her government. Electing the President should be either be by the EU parliament or by the EU electorate. However if the relationship between the government and EU parliament is to work then the standard of MEP's needs to improve greatly. I think only the small countries send their best people as they will get paid more in Brussels. Larger countries like UK and send the odd good one but many are party people who no one knows what to do with or whose ideas and stamina have gone and are put out to grass. One thing that I think you need to stop is having appointed people in Brussels whose politics are out of step with their home countries. Catherine Ashton comes to mind as an obvious square peg in a round hole and is carried forward from a fairly discredited UK government.

    You may get your Bank-union by 2013/14 but I can't see democracy catching on much before 2020. As you say there are lots of questions left open and I am starting to regret answering you post with my quickly thought out ideas as I have just realized that this post will possibly cause so much disagreement that we may need the services of Ban Ki-Moon.

    Regards
    George Mc

    By :
    George Mc
    - Posted on :
    01/12/2012
  • @Ray Rowland Posted on : 01/12/2012

    You mean a Kingdom or an empire! ha ha

    No! but into an a Confederation or even to an United States later or earlier !

    See the U.S.A so the political system is not that bad!

    To resolve the crisis it has to go to this way! Many thinks that it is a plea to construct the federal way but definitively it's NOT a plea !

    As to know that the best economists are Germans and Brits that also saved Northamerica from the Great depression or financial problems in the 30th!

    The EU is working now to formalize your Diploms so that you can freely work in whatever member-state you want!
    That's an opportunity for all of us! We don't need borders , walls nor to stay at the same country and i would never go behind as it was before 15 years ! despite of the crisis it has never been been so homogenous as today ! The European Union has very much good sides than bad one if there were no crisis Due to the Lehman collaps , Greec's falsified documents + deal with GS (sorry), Spanish Central & Sub-gov Problems we wouldn't facing that problem today!
    America had a great depression solved and Europe has now one to be solved too!

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    01/12/2012
  • @By :George Mc - Posted on : 01/12/2012
    Thankyou!

    Isn't the best way That Parliaments elects possibly Candidates for an EU-President(Council) which after that we european citizen could vote democratically for him ?

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    01/12/2012
  • Van Rompuy has no legitimacy to be taking positions like this on institutions.

    And the European Commission doesn't lack power vis-à-vis the member states. Many decisions can be and are taken without the consent of member states, and the way Barroso exercises his power is no reference.

    By :
    Julien-223
    - Posted on :
    01/12/2012
  • Van R has shown us how top-level Eurocrats/leaders think and that is what is scary about his words. Europe is sleepwalking into authoritarianism by default as democracies, when under stress, become authoritarian. We see this with national vetoes seen as unhelpful to the pressing need to solve a problem, any problem, just to show decisiveness; group think marginalises alternative solutions (there are too many historical examples where politicians acted from group think and failed to do what was right). And here we go again.

    Perhaps van R had forgotten to sleep as that also seems to be a feature of European decision-making and may explain some of the nonsense we have to put up with. There are far too many important meetings that continue into the early morning hours; the quality of decision-making and thinking degrades through sleep deprivation. Do people never learn?

    By :
    thousand lights
    - Posted on :
    01/12/2012
  • Van Rompuy should be ashamed of himself and apologize! With comments like these the citizens of the E.U. will continue to lose their faith in the European Union and then E.U. elitists will have no excuse to be frustrated at this losing of faith.

    By :
    James E. Keegan
    - Posted on :
    02/12/2012
  • Once the EU/EEC was criticised focusing only on economic matters and neglecting the human rights dimension.

    Now, the Charter of the Fundamental Rights of the European Union became binding law.

    It is a common place that the EU need further democratic legitimation. If I can truly see through the President's words only a direct election wouldn't be the solution WITHOUT giving more power to the president.

    I agree.

    A potential solution would be to merge the PResident of the European Council and the Commission, as I proposed earlier when I argued Why Barroso III Would Harm Europe:

    http://massay.kosubek.zoltan.dinstudio.com/diary_1_42.html

    I remain at your disposal.

    By :
    Zoltán MASSAY-KOSUBEK
    - Posted on :
    02/12/2012
  • @Zoltan

    "WITHOUT giving more power to the president".

    The European Commission president has enough powers for a presidential regime.
    The European Council president is a useless positions that should disappear in the coming years.
    Van Rompuy is just trying to avoid the debate by saying more power for the president is needed.

    By :
    Julien-223
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Job's for the boy's by the boy's ! This is why I want the UK out of Europe.

    By :
    R.McGrail
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Job's for the boy's by the boy's ! This is why I want the UK out of Europe.

    By :
    R.McGrail
    - Posted on :
    03/12/2012
  • Yeah right. On one hand, dont elect the Presideht because he has too little powers under the current treaties. On the other hand don't change the treaties, there are enough powers. Petit jésuite.

    By :
    Charles
    - Posted on :
    08/12/2012
  • Direct elections? Then we know what country the president will be from, no? Of the EU country with the most inhabitants? Here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_member_states_by_population

    Do we still have to go vote then?
    A USA approach? So we wait a couple of years till in every country there are 2 parties and the aim is to wack out the other one completely? And the president is the top-dog of 'em all?

    I think the stepped-approach we have now is good. We have a president from a middle-sized country - Belgium is 10 out of 25 EU countries in population numbers - that way we have a president that is there to SERVE, so that we hear the voice of all and not just the voice of 1 party and we only have 2 shades of grey: black or white ... a world in which no green sprout will ever see the light. Is that a hai-ku?

    By :
    Sven AERTS
    - Posted on :
    11/12/2012
  • @Sven, Do the US elect a californian president every 4 years?
    Does India have a two-party system?
    Do German chancellors come from Bavaria?

    Three times NO. Your clichés about a direct European presidential elections are useless to understand the challenge of such an elections. Caricature and commonplace arguments just make the case for such an election stronger.

    By :
    Stephanell
    - Posted on :
    11/12/2012
  • I'm quite happy with our UK representative democracy thanks. I'm not remotely interested in voting for any of these pocket lining, power hungry fools. The UK certainly doesn't need to be part of this stupidly expensive farce.

    By :
    Zappos
    - Posted on :
    17/12/2012
Background: 

For the 2014 elections, the three big European political families have decided to motivate their voters by agreeing in advance on a personality who would become the next Commission President, if that political family wins the election.

No decisions have been officially made, but it is widely assumed that the candidate for the Party of European Socialists (PES) will be Martin Schulz, now President of the European Parliament.

The European People’s Party who won the last election has not made its choice known and said that at a first stage, they would draw a “profile” of the candidate

The Liberal ALDE party will make its decision known in May. Many liberals want to see Guy Verhofstadt as their candidate, but NATO Secretary-General Anders Fogh Rasmussen, a Danish liberal, has reportedly plans to run for the office of Council President Herman Van Rompuy. It is difficult to imagine that two top posts, for grabs almost simultaneously, would end up with the Liberal family, which has been ranking third at the last two European elections.

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