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Juncker: Europe's nationalist demons are 'only sleeping'

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Published 12 March 2013

Europe faces "demons" from the second world war, according to Jean-Claude Juncker, Luxembourg Prime Minister and former Eurogroup chief. In an interview with Der Spiegel yesterday (11 March), Juncker compared today's anti-European sentiments with fascist tendencies in the early twentieth century.

Speaking to the German magazine Der Spiegel, Juncker said that "the demons haven't been banished, they are merely sleeping," comparing fascism in the 1930s with rising populism and nationalism across Europe today.

In relation to traditional notions of peace and unity, Juncker said that "anyone who believes [that] the eternal issue of war and peace in Europe has been permanently laid to rest could be making a monumental error".

“I am chilled by the realisation of how similar circumstances in Europe in 2013 are to those of 100 years ago,” he said, referring to the growth of Eurosceptic and nationalist parties with electoral success in European countries including the United Kingdom, Austria and the Czech Republic.

In Austria, a public opinion poll showed that 42% of the population thinks that "Hitler wasn't all bad", while 57% believed "there was nothing positive about the Hitler era". Finland and Italy have also both witnessed a steep increase in support for Eurosceptic parties lately.

In the interview, the Prime Minister of Luxembourg emphasised his generations’ focus on peace through monetary union, while warning of a chilling tendency among today’s Europeans of "returning to a regional and national mindset".

Greek-German animosity

With the Eurocrisis, he focused on rising animosity between countries such as Greece and Germany, pointing towards dangerous ‘un-European’ trends, which many thought had been "finally relegated to the past".

“The way some German politicians have lashed out at Greece when the country fell into the crisis has left deep wounds there. I was just as shocked by the banners of protesters in Athens that showed the German chancellor in a Nazi uniform,” he said.

But Juncker also said that Greece could no longer expect solidarity from other eurozone members if appropriate reforms were not fulfilled.

The very possibility of bankruptcy should encourage Athens to "get muscles" when it comes to implementing reforms, he said. "If we were to establish that everything has gone wrong in Greece, there would be no new programme, and that would mean that in March they have to declare bankruptcy".

Greece's government on Saturday continued talks with international lenders to secure the next payment in its €130 billion bailout while seeking backing for unpopular reforms involved in the rescue.

Democracy and its limits

Luxembourg's Prime Minister stressed that European countries can no longer avoid tackling the rising problem of debt, no matter what election results might bring.

“The consequence of the Italian election result cannot be that we suddenly return to the policies that caused this mess. It is not possible to combat the financial and economic crisis by saddling an already heavily indebted state with new debts. There is no getting around a solid budgetary policy," Juncker said.

“I'm going to make a bold statement: One shouldn't pursue the wrong policies just because one is afraid of not being reelected. Those who intend to govern have to take responsibility for their countries and for Europe as a whole. This means, if need be, that they have to pursue the right policies, even if many voters think they are the wrong ones” Junker said.

“Of course politicians should respect the will of the people as much as possible, provided they adhere to the European treaties. If the Italians intend to roll back the real estate tax, then they will have to come up with some other way of meeting their commitments. In Europe, even more so than in national politics, we have to follow the principle laid down by Martin Luther: Use language that the people will understand, but don't just tell them what they want to hear.”

'Off the world’s radar’

Juncker also highlighted the significance of the EU in world affairs and Europe’s role abroad.

“A united Europe is our Continent's only chance to avoid falling off the world's radar. The heads of government of Germany, France and the United Kingdom also know that their voice is only heard internationally because they speak through the megaphone of the European Union,” he said.

“Future-related issues are no less pressing. By the middle of this century, Europe will comprise only a good 7% of the world's population. Already today, over 80% of economic growth comes from other regions of the globe”.

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COMMENTS

  • How despicable of Euractiv to put the next two sentences together: "In Austria, a public opinion poll showed that 42% of the population thinks that "Hitler wasn't all bad", while 57% believed "there was nothing positive about the Hitler era". Finland and Italy have also both witnessed a steep increase in support for Eurosceptic parties lately"

    Must we assume that it has become acceptable among journalists to freely associate euroscepticism with Hitlerism?

    By :
    Egon Dorfstaedter
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2013
  • The historical record documents that reactionary social forces consistently create the greatest threats to peace. Thanks to the Prime Minister for reminding the continent and the world of the inherent dangers found in delusional, teary eyed nationalism.

    By :
    Earl Bell
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2013
  • Whilst I don't fully agree with what this man says I would say that there is the possibility of major problems in the Euro zone in the coming years. Greece has over 55% of it's 15 to 24 year olds unemployed. Spain over 50%, Portugal over 38%. This is a massive number of young men who, as I see it, have no immediate or even long term prospect of work. Idle men with no future all over Europe, it's a frightening prospect.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2013
  • "But Juncker also said that Greece could no longer expect solidarity from other eurozone members if appropriate reforms were not fulfilled."

    Talk about an idle threat. As if there ever will be one politician to stand in front of a microphone and utter the words "today we decided that enough is enough, so we decided to stop our solidarity and let Greece go bankrupt and let her deal with the consequences". The decision-makers in Greece are well aware of that quandary, of course. Which is why never anything will happen if reforms are not fulfilled. Plus, who knows whether these reforms are actually "appropriate". Appropriate to achieve what? Growth? Really?

    "Of course politicians should respect the will of the people as much as possible, provided they adhere to the European treaties."
    So if the people want something that is against the European treaties, it is perfectly fine by Mr Juncker that their will is categorically disregarded. Interesting.

    By :
    Malte
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2013
  • Please be more specific with some examples of popular will preferences that are against the European treaties?

    By :
    Earl Bell
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2013
  • Should we wait the rising populism? NO!
    We should be as Americans are to prevent war again!
    Americans knows at best that nationalism doesn't conduct to nothing ! Mr. Jean-Claude Juncker has right in saying that
    We need a United States of Europe or at least beginning with a real a real United European Military Force Now!
    Maybe It will be a rude change at the instance but acceptable than later waring each against other again!

    So Prejudices each against other has to be stopped ONCE FOR EVER in costs what it want!

    Not to forget: that Nord-Koreans have us in their Visor!
    The Time has come ! The European Continent need to be strong and powerful now!!

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • The Euro crisis is bringing out resentments amongst the Eurozone countries and bringing them out sharply and painfully.
    The Euro is in crisis because it is not backed up by a Federal State that functions like an individual country. This is what the Euro or any currency needs to survive.
    People in Europe don't want this Federal United States of Europe. That is why the Euro needs to be disbanded.
    The European Union, though it has it's flaws is a great thing. The Euro Currency however was a step too far. A step too far that is ruining the European Union. European Union Yes, Euro No!

    By :
    James E. Keegan
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • @James E. Keegan- Posted on :13/03/2013

    A Federal Union doesn't mean necessarily mean an United states of Europe but we need a United Countries of Europe for our currency as the British Pound for United Kingdoom since the Euro now is reversible!
    For me the Jobless is in foreground !
    The EU is beginning to trade with the US now !
    So the Euro will be be kept! There is no way to go behind??!
    Where is the Problem! I don't see anyone!
    No investor wants to deal with little states and X-Currencies ! So as the American the dollar the Europeans the Euro ! Only a strong Union is powerfully one ! "Anti-Federalism" has shown the way how Greece / Italy and other Intergovernmentals operates it's own Financial Situation.....

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • @James E. Keegan- Posted on :13/03/2013
    Correction :
    The Euro is irreversible!

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • Dear 'An European'. You may be an European, all be it without a country, because thankfully there is and never will be a country called 'Europe' But I am an English man and I for one will never allow my country to be lowered to a 'state' of a Federal Europe. NEVER! And I think there are millions just like me.
    You talk of America, let me remind you America is ONE country. It was born from a violent and bloody civil war. Europe is NOT one country and hopefully will never be one country.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • Mr Royle you're wrong!
    As we know many Britts may be eurosceptic but not all!
    Then vote simply Out in 2017 Referendum :-)

    Have you ever know what happen in history with Nationalsocialism in Europe ??
    This has to end once for ever to prevent war!

    America became one country after the Philadelphia Convent !( Still the states are governing themselves)
    They know very well what happen if some states become Countries with differents X currencie & Taxes :-)

    Even Europe was an entire Country during the repuplic Roman Empire with territories in it !
    We had 300 Years of peace until the End!
    After that war war war !

    So States , territories , countries whatever called doesn't matter when it comes to make things right!

    Sorry Your are Wrong!

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • At the moment, which things British are threatened by the existence of the European Union? The American states hold no great love for each other and adjoining ones sustain very unkind humor about each other. However, no state is so foolish to believe that they would safer and more prosperous by seceding. Further, there are serious differences that exist within every American state. Many of the challenges of European integration are very similar to the ones that continue to exist in the USA. In my opinion, for any European country to only cooperate with the EU on matters with which they agree, cherry picking, would endanger not only themselves but people living in other countries as well.

    By :
    Earl Bell
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • Dear 'I am European' I will most certainly be voting 'out' in the coming referendum, but thank you for reminding me.
    I think you miss the point about the USA. America is one country, they speak (in the main) one language. They have states, yes, and to an extent they govern themselves. But they have a Federal Government lead by an American voted for by Americans. The have one Navy, one Army and one Airforce. They have various Federal security services, one tax system All American.
    In the EU, at the moment, we have 27 countries. All speaking different languages, all have different laws, different armed forces, different political ways......you get the picture, 27 different countries no one as in the USA.
    There will never be a peaceful Federal states of Europe. The people haven't got the stomach for it. It was Ok but now it's just to big and to powerful.
    I am English what country do you come from because there in no country called Europe, thank god!

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • Dear 'I am European' I will most certainly be voting 'out' in the coming referendum, but thank you for reminding me.
    I think you miss the point about the USA. America is one country, they speak (in the main) one language. They have states, yes, and to an extent they govern themselves. But they have a Federal Government lead by an American voted for by Americans. The have one Navy, one Army and one Airforce. They have various Federal security services, one tax system All American.
    In the EU, at the moment, we have 27 countries. All speaking different languages, all have different laws, different armed forces, different political ways......you get the picture, 27 different countries no one as in the USA.
    There will never be a peaceful Federal states of Europe. The people haven't got the stomach for it. It was Ok but now it's just to big and to powerful.
    I am English what country do you come from because there in no country called Europe, thank god!

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • Dear Earl Bell, What things British are threatened by the existence of the EU? The sovereign right of British people to be solely governed by a British Government who they voted for. That's what is threatened. I have no desire to be governed by the politicians of 26 other countries all sitting in Brussels.
    I find it hard to understand why people here want to rush down a road of European Federalism and relegate there own countries to just a state. Governed by a largely undemocratic parliament who seem to be totally beyond the control of the member countries.
    I have a feeling that the ones who who'd have a Federal Europe are the countries who are, at the moment, doing very well out of the EU. Be warned As soon as a poorer country comes along you will lose all the attention.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • Phillip, in spite of the occasional bluster, the UK is not going to, in referendum or by any other means, withdraw from the EU. It is already so deeply embedded in so many of the EU institutions that such action would be too harmful to the country's national interest. Imagine how much more the UK would spend on defense if they became one of the lone wolves of Europe. Cameron is just looking for votes to raise the red herring of a distant, future referendum. If he believed that the harms,of EU membership, out weighed the benefits, why is he not advocating immediate withdrawal?

    By :
    Earl Bell
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • Earl, One aims for Mars in order to get to the Moon. I think that sums the UK's public anti EU feeling at the moment. I like so many of my generation voted us into the Common Market. Had I known what it was going to turn into I would have voted a resounding NO!
    The EU is seen by many in the UK as to big, too powerful, distant, undemocratic! Just another layer of burdensome and expensive government that inflicts it will on our country with little or no regard to our national government. Almost daily we read of new EU laws, drawn up by 'someone' from 'somewhere' and we have to obey! We already have one government to tell us that. Why the hell do we need Brussels to add to it?

    I would suggest that a walk down any high street in the Uk and ask people who their MEP is, and they wouldn't have a clue. More to the point they probably wouldn't even care such is the appetite in the Uk for the EU and Brussels.
    But I wouldn't stop there I would venture that you would get the same result in any other EU country.

    I have a theory that the most Pro EU countries at the moment are the ones who are doing very nicely out of it at the moment. In other words their getting more out than they put in. I wonder how they will fare when the tables are turned and they have to support someone else?

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • Earl, One aims for Mars in order to get to the Moon. I think that sums the UK's public anti EU feeling at the moment. I like so many of my generation voted us into the Common Market. Had I known what it was going to turn into I would have voted a resounding NO!
    The EU is seen by many in the UK as to big, too powerful, distant, undemocratic! Just another layer of burdensome and expensive government that inflicts it will on our country with little or no regard to our national government. Almost daily we read of new EU laws, drawn up by 'someone' from 'somewhere' and we have to obey! We already have one government to tell us that. Why the hell do we need Brussels to add to it?

    I would suggest that a walk down any high street in the Uk and ask people who their MEP is, and they wouldn't have a clue. More to the point they probably wouldn't even care such is the appetite in the Uk for the EU and Brussels.
    But I wouldn't stop there I would venture that you would get the same result in any other EU country.

    I have a theory that the most Pro EU countries at the moment are the ones who are doing very nicely out of it at the moment. In other words their getting more out than they put in. I wonder how they will fare when the tables are turned and they have to support someone else?

    And Cameron's promise of a referendum Ha! he's just sweetening (rigging) the pot so we vote to stay in. By the time we have a vote he will have poured so much honey over us we won't be able to get to the ballot box.......... well thats what he hopes!

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • To the mod's sorry I don't know why my post's are being duplicated. Its not intentional.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • Phillip, all good speculation, however, you do not deny that the UK is deeply embedded in numerous EU institutions making withdrawal highly unlikely regardless of whether they know their MEP, like Brussels or consider EU governance too distant.

    By :
    Earl Bell
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2013
  • Earl, I would agree with you to some point. But any countries attachment, however deep, can be cut by it's people. And that's what were talking about here, the will of the people, not the will of the Government. After all is it not the job of any Government to serve the people?
    The British people have been lead along by the EU but more deceitfully by it's own politicians. The British public fortunately has just woken up to the fact.
    Reduce the power of the EU. Give back power's to national Government's to Govern their own people. Stop unelected Eurocrats poking their nose's in to things that don't concern them. Then I would consider staying. But more importantly stop any further talk of expansion in the EU and of Federalism.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    14/03/2013
  • Phillip, by 2017, even if what you say is true, which I do not think it is, so many things can change between now and then, that forecasting a referendum vote is just not possible. Second, the world of power and influence for all European nations was changed dramatically by World War II. Third,in foreign affairs, the European Union is doing some very impressive and necessary things throughout the world. Fourth, if nations of the region wish to sustain the kind of influence common before World War II, an organization speaking for 450 million people is much more likely to be a serious player in international politics than could ever be possible in a world in which twenty seven nations go it alone. Fifth, your estimate that the primary reason for some nations, I assume you mean Germany and France, supporting the EU is that their interests benefit the most from its actions, seems less creditable than the fact that the dramatic loss of national influence, triggered by the war, has made necessary the mobilizing assets of the region as a replacement. Sixth, I do not think that you have much to fear on the capacity of the UK to be the equal of any nation in the EU when it comes to protecting her own interests. British leaders and diplomats are the equal to those representing any other nation in it.

    By :
    Earl Bell
    - Posted on :
    14/03/2013
  • Earl, True many things can happen between now and 2017. Bu if the EU keeps true to form the British press will have hundreds of stories to keep the British resentment of the EU alive and kicking. Why do you think the British government is trying so desperately to curb the Press?
    Even today I read that the EU has voted to reject the budget given to them by national Governments. How arrogant can these people be! Stories like this are all food for the fire. These MEP'S who earn more in one month than a lot of people I know in Spain now get to live on in a year! I must admit it sometimes leaves me speechless in rage.
    I really don't like to bring the war in to a topic, but since you have. Don't you find it strange that the countries that lost the war are now the richest in Europe. And the ones that won are struggling to get off their backsides!
    As for influence. Would that influence be helping to build up armed forced in Mali? Or right now, the Syria problem. With the UK and France going their own way (which I don't agree with) in helping to arm the rebels.
    But I think we stray to far and our individual arguments could go on forever and I think over the EU problem, as I see it, we will never agree.
    If the EU want's a friendly UK it has to change. It has to change the way it's viewed. It has to recognise that it's allowed to function because the public allow it to function. When the public don't like what they see it should take note and do something about it. I of course refer to immigration which is a problem only suffered by the richer countries.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    14/03/2013
  • Phillip, in my view, the smartest strategy for the UK to follow is to work within the EU in the same way as Germany. Also, my comment on regional integration as a necessity for protecting the national interest of all member states goes unanswered. Their are certain types of war that European nations can not fight like the one in Kosovo in 1999.

    By :
    Earl Bell
    - Posted on :
    14/03/2013
  • The general perception is that Germany is the EU with France sitting on it's right hand lol. I think it would be impossible for one country to change anything in the EU. Just look at the problems about he Budget! Any intelligent person in the EU can see there is massive resentment about the financial crisis and the need for governments to tighten the purse strings. But look at the problems Cameron had just trying to slightly reduce the EU budget. And even then the EU arrogantly votes to reject it. And you say 'Work within the EU' How can a lone voice work within a frame work of 19? smaller countries that do very nicely out of the EU money river, and the rest more interested in their own countries agenda like France and it's massive framing subsidy. Never going to happen is it!
    As for protecting the interests of member states, I'm not quite sure what you mean. By regional integration do you mean immigration? Because the Uk, Germany, France and Italy don't seem to be doing very well on that.
    As for National Interest of member states, don't you think they would be best served by their own governments? But as I say I am not sure if I understand your question:
    I would be interested what country you are from?

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    14/03/2013
  • Regional integration is simply consolidation by multiple nation-states into a single political entity. Of course, there will be a diversity of interest and disagreements in regional governance as there has always been in national. Do not underestimate how far and successfully the countries of the continent have come working in concert on a multiplicity of issues and please remember all the good that EU does in the world. For all the problems and continuing challenges it faces, much of the record is quite impressive.

    On my country, I consider myself, first and foremost, a citizen of the world!

    By :
    Earl Bell
    - Posted on :
    14/03/2013
  • Earl, thank you, I'm afraid I am not a 'political all star' I must read more lol. I just fail to see how one could possibly get Regional Integration in the EU. There's just to much diversity of political groups surly? How many groups are there in Europe? Must be hundreds. Forgive my ignorance over this but might it be possible for 750 odd MEPS to belong to 750 odd different political parties. Where would we be then? Are you saying that Brussels would completely take over and national governments be relegated to just local councils?
    Regional integration seems to me to sound a lot like Federalism. As far a the EU doing good in the world, sorry I just don't see anything that stands out. Apart from giving aid money out, and as you must know the UK, with Cameron's private taxpayer funded feel good aid charity, we give lots already! In fact, as I have said before I have difficulty finding one thing that the EU does that I would say 'Yes that's good I agree with that'

    You being a 'citizen of the world' goes a long way to explains your stand point, thank you.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    14/03/2013
  • "comparing fascism in the 1930s with rising populism and nationalism across Europe today..."

    Another person who doesn't have a clue.

    By :
    Sun
    - Posted on :
    27/04/2013
Angry protesters greet German Chancellor Angela Merkel in Athens on 9 October 2012
Background: 

With Europe in the throes of an economic crisis, resentment towards Brussels is higher than ever. Many Europeans have blamed the EU's austerity policies for making the crisis worse, citing a failure of the Euro currency and a lack of democratic legitimacy.

While Britain's penchant for EU-bashing is well publicised, political parties in other member states are also hostile to the European project, with an anti-integration stance that is being fanned by the worsening economic crisis.

>> Read our LinksDossier: Euroscepticism: More than a British phenomenon

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