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Published 21 August 2012

Macedonia has accused Greece of dumping illegal migrants on its territory, the Macedonian daily Dnevnik reported, citing unnamed diplomatic sources. 

Greek authorities have been sending hundreds of migrants across the border mainly at two locations and usually during the night, Dnevnik writes. The authorities in Skopje, capital of EU-candidate Macedonia, have reportedly informed the European Union and its border management agency Frontex about the development.

Greece is getting increasingly nervous over the presence of more than one million illegal immigrants on its territory, analysts say, and seeks to alleviate the burden by illegally transferring them on other countries.

Trpe Stojanovski from the regional centre for Migration and Refugees (MARRI) is quoted as saying that Greece is a source of instability for Macedonia and the region.

“We are having a wave of illegal immigration, and this is coming from a EU country, this is a dangerous for our security,” Stojanovski said. He said the illegal immigrants arriving from Greece are from Iraq, Afghanistan, and recently from Mauritania.

Strasho Aggelovski, director of the Macedonian Centre for Asylum Seekers, is quoted by the daily as saying that the EU and the United Nations refugee agency, UNHCR, are urging Macedonia to abide by international standards for dealing with refugees.

Greek-Macedonian relations are strained over the so-called “name dispute” since Macedonia became independent from the crumbling Yugoslavia in 1991. Greece claims the name, which coincides with the one of its northernmost province, implies territorial ambitions (see background).

EurActiv asked the Greek Ministry of Foreign Affairs to comment on the accusations from Macedonia, but received no answer.

Criticism of Lambrinidis appointment

Macedonia has recently been irked by the appointment of Stavros Lambrinidis, a former Greek foreign minister, as the EU’s special representative for Human Rights. In a commentary published by Dnevnik, editorialist Ivana Kostovska calls on Lambrinidis to react to the threat of Macedonia becoming a victim of the Greek crisis.

Up to 100,000 illegal immigrants are estimated to enter Greece every year, with the majority entering through Turkey. Greek officials connected the clamp-down to increased exposure to Syrian refugees and the knock-on effects of immigration on crime, including drugs.

Athens recently cracked down on illegal immigrants, detaining more than 6,000 over the weekend of 4-5 August. Some 1,600 are now set for deportation.

The extreme right-wing Golden Dawn party – which won 7% of the vote in recent parliamentary elections– stood on an anti-immigrant platform and has been accused of staging racist attacks in the capital. Analysts fear that if Greece fails to tackle the problem of illegal immigration, the influence of Golden Dawn could increase and its attacks on immigrants could become widespread.

To avoid being expelled from the EU border-free Schengen area, Greece is accelerating construction of prison-style asylum centres, putting it at odds with court rulings in other countries that asylum seekers shouldn't be treated as prisoners. Greek authorities defend the plans, citing similar facilities in France and Spain.

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COMMENTS

  • Which Macedonia are we taling about here...???

    By :
    Alexandros
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • Greece is a unworthy EU member.

    By :
    Asylum
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • Why can't Greece move immigrants between it's own provinces? I don't see why that would be a problem.

    Shouldn't we focus on how they get to Greece in the first place. Perhaps Turkey is dumping hundreds of thousands of immigrants on Greece each year. Then again if I were an immigrant why the hell would I want to stay in Turkey.

    By :
    Vladmir
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • Vlado - You mean the FYROM government (even using capitals for this is a waste)

    - your complaints to your 'parents' - Turkey, not to Greece, since you are having a passionate lobve affair - turn to them who are dumping them to Greece.

    -Thirdly nobody dumps them, they go on their own, but you just cannot stop wining all the time.

    Fourthly - find yourselves some true history and stop stealing. (as usual) man made country in 90's. do not forget this.

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • The journalist who wrote this article is not very professional. As noted earlier, the article says that Greece moved some illegal immigrants to one of its provinces (Macedonia).

    By :
    NA
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • In Aegean Macedonia (Greece) the Macedonian first and last names of the Macedonian people were changed by the Greek government. They were changed into Greek, for example from Jovan Pachev the name became Ioannis Patsoplulos. Is this not an uncivilized act? It is inhuman and is against the human rights policy.

    The European Union does not consider this illegal because they support Greece 100%. And who is Greece to tell another country (Macedonia) what name they have to choose? Who are they to say that it is not right to call herself Macedonia? Before August 10,1913 that territory was called Macedonia. For thousands of years before that land was always Macedonia. Alexander the Great was the King of Macedonia, he was not King of Greece!

    Aegean Macedonia was given to Greece in 1913, Pirin Macedonia was given to Bulgaria and Vardar Macedonia to Serbia. And the Greek government in 1913 renamed Macedonia New Territory or Nea Hora. Then it became Northern Greece and finally in 1988 Macedonia! They knew Yugoslavia was going to fall apart or disintegrate.

    Also the name of the airport in Thessalonica (Solun) Salonika in 1992 was changed to Macedonia. Why does the Greek government insist that Macedonians and the Macedonian language do not exist? The minorities in Greece such as the Roma, Albanians, Turks, Vlachs call themselves Hellenes. Yet they have nothing to do with the Hellenes. But why are the Macedonians in the Republic of Macedonia not allowed to call themselves Macedonians according to the Greeks?

    By :
    Tanev
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • As New York is part of the US, so Macedonia is part of Greece. Macedonia always was, is , and will be part of Greece, not a made up country (FYROM) from the 1990's. Read your history books and abandon Tito's propaganda. The cold war is over!!

    By :
    Dimitri
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • Tanev quote "Why does the Greek government insist that Macedonians and the Macedonian language do not exist?". We dont say that. we dont accept the name you are giving to your self since you are bulgarians as nation and your language is a bulgarian idiom

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • First Macedonians have always been Greeks. http://www.network54.com/Forum/415923/
    FYROM's Slavs are Macedonian nothing.

    Second, Greece is doing its best to solve the problem. Turkey denies to abide by the agreements it signed with Greece.
    The crossborder of immigrants is not boosted by Greece.

    By :
    Istor Macedonian
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • Vlado..u have 30% plus Albanian population in your so called country and there Muslims who breed like rabbits...soon they will out breed u Slavs and then u will have bigger problems then worrying about this!!

    By :
    jim
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • ufff...
    You are aware that even Serbs and other ex Yu are making fun of your provincial Serbo/Coatian language? And let me ask you something: How come then you can understand each other in moste ex Yu countries, and also Bulgaria? Has this ever crossed your mind? Well soemthing is defineteley wrong here..Actually changing few words and assing a few new ones does not really qualify as a new language, this is rather very clear. Or perhaps with your mentality and propaganda you could claim that Serbo Croatian is 'Macedoniann' and they stole your language? What do you think? Fantastic new worldwide campaign...
    For God's sake come to terms with your past. which is a very short one and STOP STEALING. You are simply thieves of history. I can partially understand the quest for an identity but you are pathetic. Simply.Look foe example Slovenia - Solid history - unique language. facts.

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • All national heroes of FYROM from 19th century era MISIRKOV DELTCHEV SANDANSKI .GRUEV .....ALL OF THEM were self-identified as bulgarians( blgarin) BUT TODAY THE MODERN EX-BULGARIANS TRANSFORMED INTO CHILDREN OF ARISTOTLE

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • You so-called "Greeks" are amazing.
    Get it through your heads,Macedonia never was Greek nor it ever be!
    You should be thankfull to the Big Powers of 1913(France and Germany)for the illegal partition of Macedonia without the Macedonian people approval.
    Since 1991,you people can't even sleep in peace since part of Macedonian territory became independent.
    This of course is a threat to your constant lies.
    History will prove the truth,then what will you professorial commentators do?.
    You people are shameless with your lies.You came to our homes and claim the living room is yours.
    Lesen you Alvanoturkey,you are people of a wide mixture
    who belong to no ethnicity.Your purity of 99.9%pur "Greeks" is non existant,it is only a dream that Prince Otto dreamed-up for you and to glorify himself as the King of the newly formed country in 1832-34.
    You even go as far as Alexanders Empire being Greek.How can you claim such nonsence when Macedonia put the yoke over ancient Hellens?Is there such a thing where a victor becomes the loser and claim his victories as yours?.This is an illusion you have dreamed-up.I will end my comment by quoting John Adams when in 1783 said"greeks are corrupted in their morals to such a degree,as to be faithless,perfidious race,destitute of courage..."

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • And here is the quote from Nietze, read and weap and continue your rediculous propagand, because I see you want to portray yourself as a pseudo intellectual, most probably your government is sending this quote by email..read the book

    Proven in every period of its development, the western European culture has tried to rid himself of the Greeks. This work is imbued with deep disappointment, because whatever we create, seemingly original and worthy of admiration, lose color and life in comparison with the Greek mode, came to resemble a cheap copy, a caricature.

    So again and again soaked in a rage erupts hatred against the Greeks, against this small and arrogant nation, who had the nerve to call it barbaric whatever that had not been established in its territory ...
    None of the recurrent enemies had the fortune to discover the hemlock, which could forever be rid of them. All poisons of envy, of hubris, hatred, have been insufficient to disturb the great beauty.

    Thus, people continue to feel shame and fear of the Greeks. Of course, occasionally, someone appears to recognize intact truth, truth which teaches that the Greeks are the charioteers of any upcoming culture and almost always as the chariots and horses of the upcoming cultures is very low quality compared to the charioteer, who eventually work out driving his chariot into the abyss, which are beyond the Achilles 'Leap'

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • By the way, you should be grateful to Tito, who spared
    your little province.
    my regards from Greece/Hellas with a proven proud history...
    and answer my question. you do not even have a significant unique language. It is very simple...

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • it is amazing , that the skopian (ex-bulgars) are sending quotes from "The Birth of Tragedy" the uncivilized people brainwashed by slavic propaganda ,dare to speak about philosophy ...hahaha ... Sprach mitsaras not Zarathustra»

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • Accordin to skopian FYROM propaganda the modern greeks are not related to ANCIENT greeks even if they still speaking the same root-language for three milleniums. At the other hand ,the slavs of fyrom who are speaking a bulgarian idiom and always were known as bulgarians are not slavs nor bulgarians but relatives with Aristotle .can we debate with such paranoia ?

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • Accordin to skopian FYROM propaganda the modern greeks are not related to ANCIENT greeks even if they still speaking the same root-language for three milleniums. At the other hand ,the slavs of fyrom who are speaking a bulgarian idiom and always were known as bulgarians are not slavs nor bulgarians but relatives with Aristotle .can we debate with such paranoia ?

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • ρε συ τα μπερδεψες! εγω το στειλα σε απαντηση για τη μαλακια που εγραψε ο ξυπολητος στο τελος

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • Έχεις δίκιο , η εισαγωγή σου με μπέρδεψε

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • @Mitsaras;you are saying that you speak the ancient language,how so?Read your history when and why you changed your language(1856-58to "Dimotiki from Katherevusa"Every person from birth to death had to learn the new language.We as Macedonians did not learn our language through school like you,yet,we preserved it to this today.Granted,we do have some words that differ from each area like Kostur(Kastoria)Lerin(Florina)Voden(Edessa)and so on.What the Macedonian people in 1944 did was getting people from all areas of Macedonia and put in use a combined language that had to be learn uniformly.Greece and other nations have done the same.Just take a look in the English language,North America and England differ in many words,so does France,Ireland and Germany.The difference is your claim that you still speak the same as ancient Hellens.Remember,Balkan nations are a mixture of different people(identities),but Greeces population and the majority are Albanians since ancient times.In 1856-58 the largest newspaper in Greece was Albanian who'seditor was poisont in prison.
    You also must remember,27 out of 57 Prime Ministers of Greece were Albanian.Today your president is one of them (Papulias).In the Republic of Macedonia also have prominent Albanian nationals who serve in high positions.It is nothing wrong,but what is wrong is to claim 99.9% purity as you do.
    After the second World War one part of Macedonia was recognized as a Republic equal to the other 5 Republics because they fought the Nazis and deserved their rights to be equal amongs the rest of the former Yugoslavija.Is this not true what the KKE was promising to the Aegean Macedonians durring 46-49?
    The Macedonian people fought for what they were promised,their equal rights as any Greek citizen.
    One more item worth mentioning and that is,the Unzi people and the Kalash in Pakistan speak differently from each other,but they speak many words we do today that have been preserved.The language they speak is called Brusheski,no resemblance to ancient Hellen or modern Greek languages.You see,we have a lineage to ancient Macedonians.
    Have great day!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    21/08/2012
  • Its funny how greece manipulates history of other countries for their own gain.
    GREECE is a German Bohemian invention.
    No wander the greek government feels so threatened about its neighbors, Especially albanian jurnalists that want to make documentaries about the "CHAM GENOCIDE".
    When the Bohemians came down from germany they found Albanian speakers in thesalonika streets, greece wasnt even spoken. They wanted to bring back the idea of classical greece with the documents saved since the ancient times thus we have a propaganda, an idea built on a land that does not even speak the original greek.
    Wllach,slavic, turkish, and albanian people were in the mainland greece. Now this idea became to the point of racism, immigrants getting killed etc. To the point of political conflict, who gives the right to a country to make another country dependent on them, CORRUPTION, and its sad that this CORRUPT STATE is in the E.U today. :/

    By :
    me
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • YOU: No aliens from Mars came down and invented Greece or perhaps from Venus.
    let me summarise so far because I am loosing count:
    So, Greece has been, Albanian, German, Bulgarian what else?
    Really you are becoming rediculous and the scariest thing is that you do not even realise it and believ it as well!
    For your information, the Greek minority in Southern Albania, that seaks Greek and is very proud is threatened by the Albanian govt on a constant basis, They managed, in the past election, with their usual dirty tactics of altering results not to have the Greek mayors elected for the first time after 11 years. Lern first about politics and then come back to me, because you are an ignorant person who watches tv..apparently..
    Cham genocide? Is thi a new term? Fashionable lately? You have probably never heard of the genocides that took place all over Turkey. these were genocide (but you are obviously reading Turkish-Albanian-Fyromina history books)
    Copclusion: sad to have the worst borders int eh whole of the planet surrounded by envious savages.

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • YES Peter i do speak-write ancient greek because i am greek . will you test me ?. It is amazing when a south slav "skopianos" with bulgarian heritage ,culture and mentality is making linguistic lessons to a Greek . DO YOU KNOW WHAT KATHAREYOUSA OR DIMOTIKH MEANS?What strange did you find ? what is the big deal? in your bulgarian linguistic idiom did the educated fyromians use the same linguistic form in their written texts than the oral speach spoken by ordinary people? yes or not? the rest comical you write , about buruchaski pakistan hunza and ancient greeks etc ..better.ask your doctor not me i want to reminf to the readers that skopian leadership was humiliated by FYROM's media in 2009 when a Pakistan-hunza prince welcome in fyrom as a successor of ancient macedonian soldiers . who at last returns back ...in his .home !!!speaking almost the same language (buruchaski) with modern skopians!! thus the modern skopians are not bulgarians ,but children of Alexander the great !! You can see with what kind of people we are talking!!!!

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • IF the greek language was not spoken before 1830 as some skopians are comically saying to their sheep as propaganda,Then the medieval and later on 17th 18 th century greek literature OR the greek orthodox church, and the greek popular poets, authors, in what language they were speaking and and writting ? and for whom? for the Albanians or for the Slavs ? Rigas Fereos in what language wrote his epic in 1790 and for whom ?

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • Why should any country be denied the right to protect thier own borders from illegal immigration? Two world wars and the EU has become a sad lost soul feeling sorry for everyone and being it's own worst enemy inviting it's own demise for the sake of the political elites short sighted short term gain. There is no more room in what's left of Western Civilization for political correctness or being sad and afraid of our past. There is nothing wrong with having pride in preserving your own national culture, language and heritage above all others. It's natural and normal.

    By :
    Mike
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • One more diamond from Peter QUOTE "Get it through your heads,Macedonia never was Greek " If that was true ,how do you explain the fact that everything written artefacts found IN THE WIDE MACEDONIA AREA from antiquity until slavic christianization in 9th century ac ARE ONLY IN GREEK LANGUAGE ? WHO WROTE THIS LANGUAGE AND FOR WHOM ?

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • The more you read skopians nationalists the more laughable are becoming to your eyes .so, Peter ,what is the title and the name of this largest Albanian newspaper published in Greece in 1850? since this is unknown to the greeks . Give us the internet source to see it what kind of albanian was written. maybe you are confusing in your mind the city of Athens with Tetovo !!

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • Peter quote@ "After the second World War one part of Macedonia was recognized as a Republic equal to the other 5 Republics because they fought the Nazis..NO! this is not truth . The majority of your nation "bulgarin" were supporters of bulgarians and nazis .Peter,On videos documents from Skopia and Ochrid cities in 1942 you can see your ancestors welcoming the nazis and their bulgarian allies in a folk glorious parade with local "macedonian" uniforms declaring the unification of all bulgarians with banners ,songs and maps of "united macedonia" the same maps you still having on your schools today .but the reason tito created the "macedonians" was for expansionism in order to get claims on Greece's ΜΑΚΕΔΟΝΙΑ province with the same name and future access to Aegean Sea .Today even if those plans are not practical easy to be done by FYROM ,they are however,mentioned in their nationalistic irredentist folk songs like "greeks get away from macedonia" or the "solunski pole" etc , those skopian war games will have bad end !!!!

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • From peter new testimony QUOTE."What the Macedonian people in 1944 did was getting people from all areas of Macedonia and put in use a combined language that had to be learn uniformly.".... NO. This was not TRUTH the purpose of language modification in 1944 it was for clear political reasons . K. Misirkov in 1903 on his book published in Sofia "Za makedonckite raboti"except the foundation of "macedonism" in other words the artificial creation of "macedonia nation" as distinct nation from bulgarians . He had also suggested as uniformly for the slavic population living in ottoman province of macedonia a common combinet language with the name, "macedonian language" it was one particular bulgarian dialect spoken in Veles, Prilep, Bitola and Ohrid with old bulgarian alphabet . But in 1944 what was done by Blaze konenski in the language modification (under Yugoslav Tito orders) was to built a new alphabet for the new "macedonians" slavs , making a vast "cleaning" in language from old bulgarian words and adopting a new spelling in order the new language to be more close to serbian language than from bulgarian

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • this article is confusing, Macedonia is a province in Greece.

    By :
    Hank
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • Greece best export product are lies. There is nothing more to say.

    By :
    Bad Kismet of Greece
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • because you have nothing to say. So be my guest and tell us the truth. i am eagerly waiting for your reply.
    eg : do not reproduce your territolial ethnic delirium.
    Give us an answer only if you have something new to say.
    For the rest we already know..

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • But honestly, how much more pathetic can you get? You are producing songs videos and wearing ancient Hellenic uniforms. Do you realise this? Is this not understandable to yourselves?
    If you have a need for an identity, look for it where it is obviously pointed - Bulgaria - at first and then other regions wherever . Do you not realise that your language has absolutely no resemblance to ancient documents found and language used. I, my friend undertsand at least, what i swrittent in Macedonian scripts and other artifacts and plates. Are you not ashamed and is it not starnge to you that you cannot understand absolutely anything? Think about it for a while. I ma simply presenting you with food for thought (but you really need to have a brain for thought - it is a very basic precondition)
    dogledanje oh wait but it is similar to Dovijdane - spot the resemblance if you have a brain!

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • We can't reach your level of pathetic arguments. Does Alexander the great had a Greek passport?

    Show me that Macedonia was ever greek before 1912 and define what "Greeek" means to you?

    Your first king was a bavarian man! Your flag is based on the colours of the bavarian province and you are telling us that we are invented by Tito? Are you kidding me?

    Did you know that in Greece before 1830 the most spreaded language was slavonic and albanic. For that time a christian was automatically a greek if he or she fought against the ottomans. What about that?

    What about the Macedonians in Greece? Why they are not allowed to SING their text of Macedonian SONGS, if we are not Macedonians? It's your fear!

    All this is f*cking politics. Wake up my friend, I think your country has other problems than that.

    By :
    Bad Kismet of Greece
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • "You are aware that even Serbs and other ex Yu are making fun of your provincial Serbo/Coatian language? And let me ask you something: How come then you can understand each other in moste ex Yu countries, and also Bulgaria? Has this ever crossed your mind?"

    We are intelligent, my dear, this explains everything :)

    By the way, Serbian / Croatian are synthetic languages(have cases); Macedonian is analytic,like English and Spanish. (Not familiar with Bulgarian, so can't make comments.) This is just a tiny example of how illiterate and illogical your comment is.

    Guys from modern Greece, you may be proud of your history now (yours, NOT Macedonian history) but your descendants will definitely be ashamed of the history you are creating today!

    By :
    Sirma
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • not more ashamed that others...guess who... finding out that theirs it was built on bronze mega ugly statutes sometime within this decade

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • Good Kismet: Why is your insistence in these particular time period? because my dear friend before that you were thin air.. somewhere in the wider planetary spectrum...
    Ans why do you not comment on BC era par example... ?
    Again try to read an ancient Macedonian sign abd come back to me. Well AS i SAID, I do understand at least parts of it. with ease. still better than nothing..
    And listen to me carefully, if you were not so aggresively provoking in every possibe way the situation, then there might have been some sort of solution. But when it is complemented by pure theft of factual historical elements, then it is not.

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • au revoir, I have more important things to do..
    cool ooff in exotic ohrid

    ciao

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • "Show me that Macedonia was ever greek before 1912" . the same question for 3rd time? i wonder the numerous written artefacts with greek language inscriptions from antiquity or the greek language inscriptions on every old monastery found all over the macedonia land ,who were the writers ? and for whom were written ? for the bulgarians ?

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • I must have touched a greek nerve,have I?
    I will try to answere to all of you greeks with the following thought.
    To begin first,you greeks have no connection with the ancient Hellens,it is a fact!
    The history you pretend to have is not that of the modern greek.Greece is the only country that glorifys history that does not have any connection with,it is a fact!
    The modern nation of greece is a mixture of different people that incudes,majority of you are Albanians,Vlahs,Turks,Macedonians and others,it is a fact!
    What John Adams said in 1783 is a fact!
    The name issue as per Mitsotakis at an interview for the T.Skinalis book"For the name of Macedonia"is a fact!What professor Athena Skoulariki a sociology professor at the University of Crete said;"Greece is tangled in a strategic dead end.In the course of the last 16 years we have lost one battle after another and still have not seriously considered what we are doing wrong.Why is the outside World not supporting the Greek thesis on this issue?Why after so many years of trying has Greece not succeeded in convincing the international public?"asks professor Skoulariki.
    According to Skoulariki"the Greek arguments are not convincing because it is a fundamental right of all people to freely choose their name.We insist that our neighbor has no right to use the name Macedonia,ignoribg the fact that during the 19th and 20th century there was a wider region called Macedonia".
    Dr.Thomas Arnold,the founder of the school Ethos in 19th century in England,suggested that "fabricating Greek legents will profoundly improve the English image,even more than the Greek image".
    David Holder was the chief foreign correspondent for the"London Sunday Times".He revealed in his book"Greece without Columns"that the Greek treasured assumption is a delusion and Greek legent wishfull fantasies."
    A Greek professor of archeology Manolis Andronicos wrote;"Macedonia should be considered the cradle of human history."
    Captain P.H.Evans,on Sept.16th,1943,was dropped into Northern Greece,as British liason officer,he remained till 1944.Captain Evans knew nothing about Macedonia,like all foreigners who had been hoodwinked by official Greek propaganda.He wrote,"The Balkan region is Macedonia by nature and not Greek".He observed that the Greek language in Northern Greece was regarded as a foreign language and that the Greeks were distrusted as something alien in the full sense of the word and viewed as foreigners in Macedonia."
    Now,I do not think I should tell you what Polybius said about languages,I don't think I should tell you what Alexander said to Philotas at the treason court,neither do I have to tell you what Isocrates wrote to Philip,nor do I have to tell you what Demosthenes wrote on the epitaph in 338 bc.I assume you know your history unbiased,do you?.
    You know what,it bothers me one thing,your Greek government has thought you the wrong history-lies!
    I wish you a nice day!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • Read Nietze my dear!

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • ΔΗΜΟΣΘΕΝΗ: ΕΠΙΤΑΦΙΟΣ
    ¨Ἐπειδὴ τοὺς ἐν τῷδε τῷ τάφῳ κειμένους, ἄνδρας ἀγα-
    θοὺς ἐν τῷ πολέμῳ γεγονότας, ἔδοξεν τῇ πόλει δημοσίᾳ
    θάπτειν καὶ προσέταξεν ἐμοὶ τὸν νομιζόμενον λόγον εἰπεῖν
    ἐπ’ αὐτοῖς, ἐσκόπουν μὲν εὐθὺς ὅπως τοῦ προσήκοντος
    ἐπαίνου τεύξονται, ἐξετάζων δὲ καὶ σκοπῶν ἀξίως εἰπεῖν τῶν
    τετελευτηκότων ἕν τι τῶν ἀδυνάτων ηὕρισκον ὄν. οἳ γὰρ
    τὴν ὑπάρχουσαν πᾶσιν ἔμφυτον τοῦ ζῆν ὑπερεῖδον ἐπι-
    θυμίαν, καὶ τελευτῆσαι καλῶς μᾶλλον ἠβουλήθησαν ἢ
    ζῶντες τὴν Ἑλλάδ’ ἰδεῖν ἀτυχοῦσαν, πῶς οὐκ ἀνυπέρβλητον
    παντὶ λόγῳ τὴν αὑτῶν ἀρετὴν καταλελοίπασιν; ὁμοίως
    μέντοι διαλεχθῆναι τοῖς πρότερόν ποτ’ εἰρηκόσιν ἐνθάδ’ εἶναι
    μοι δοκεῖ. [2] ὡς μὲν οὖν ἡ πόλις σπουδάζει περὶ τοὺς ἐν τῷ
    πολέμῳ τελευτῶντας, ἔκ τε τῶν ἄλλων ἔστιν ἰδεῖν καὶ
    μάλιστ’ ἐκ τοῦδε τοῦ νόμου, καθ’ ὃν αἱρεῖται τὸν ἐροῦντ’ ἐπὶ
    ταῖς δημοσίαις ταφαῖς· εἰδυῖα γὰρ παρὰ τοῖς ἀγαθοῖς ἀν-
    δράσιν τὰς μὲν τῶν χρημάτων κτήσεις καὶ τῶν κατὰ τὸν
    βίον ἡδονῶν ἀπολαύσεις ὑπερεωραμένας, τῆς δ’ ἀρετῆς καὶ
    τῶν ἐπαίνων πᾶσαν τὴν ἐπιθυμίαν οὖσαν, ἐξ ὧν ταῦτ’ ἂν
    αὐτοῖς μάλιστα γένοιτο λόγων, τούτοις ᾠήθησαν δεῖν αὐτοὺς
    τιμᾶν, ἵν’ ἣν ζῶντες ἐκτήσαντ’ εὐδοξίαν, αὕτη καὶ τετελευτη-
    κόσιν αὐτοῖς ἀποδοθείη. [3] εἰ μὲν οὖν τὴν ἀνδρείαν μόνον
    αὐτοῖς τῶν εἰς ἀρετὴν ἀνηκόντων ὑπάρχουσαν ἑώρων,
    ταύτην ἂν ἐπαινέσας ἀπηλλαττόμην τῶν λοιπῶν· ἐπειδὴ δὲ
    καὶ γεγενῆσθαι καλῶς καὶ πεπαιδεῦσθαι σωφρόνως καὶ
    βεβιωκέναι φιλοτίμως συμβέβηκεν αὐτοῖς, ἐξ ὧν εἰκότως
    ἦσαν σπουδαῖοι, αἰσχυνοίμην ἂν εἴ τι τούτων φανείην
    παραλιπών. ἄρξομαι δ’ ἀπὸ τῆς τοῦ γένους αὐτῶν ἀρχῆς.

    [4] Ἡ γὰρ εὐγένεια τῶνδε τῶν ἀνδρῶν ἐκ πλείστου χρόνου
    παρὰ πᾶσιν ἀνθρώποις ἀνωμολόγηται. οὐ γὰρ μόνον εἰς
    πατέρ’ αὐτοῖς καὶ τῶν ἄνω προγόνων κατ’ ἄνδρ’ ἀνενεγκεῖν
    ἑκάστῳ τὴν φύσιν ἔστιν, ἀλλ’ εἰς ὅλην κοινῇ τὴν ὑπάρχου-
    σαν πατρίδα, ἧς αὐτόχθονες ὁμολογοῦνται εἶναι. μόνοι
    γὰρ πάντων ἀνθρώπων, ἐξ ἧσπερ ἔφυσαν, ταύτην ᾤκησαν
    καὶ τοῖς ἐξ αὑτῶν παρέδωκαν, ὥστε δικαίως ἄν τις ὑπολάβοι
    τοὺς μὲν ἐπήλυδας ἐλθόντας εἰς τὰς πόλεις καὶ τούτων
    πολίτας προσαγορευομένους ὁμοίους εἶναι τοῖς εἰσποιητοῖς
    τῶν παίδων, τούτους δὲ γνησίους γόνῳ τῆς πατρίδος πολί-
    τας εἶναι. [5] δοκεῖ δέ μοι καὶ τὸ τοὺς καρπούς, οἷς ζῶσιν
    ἅνθρωποι, παρ’ ἡμῖν πρώτοις φανῆναι, χωρὶς τοῦ μέγιστον
    εὐεργέτημ’ εἰς πάντας γενέσθαι, ὁμολογούμενον σημεῖον
    ὑπάρχειν τοῦ μητέρα τὴν χώραν εἶναι τῶν ἡμετέρων προ-
    γόνων. πάντα γὰρ τὰ τίκτονθ’ ἅμα καὶ τροφὴν τοῖς γιγνο-
    μένοις ἀπ’ αὐτῆς τῆς φύσεως φέρει· ὅπερ ἥδ’ ἡ χώρα
    πεποίηκεν.

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • no dear Peter, you need not remind me of ΔΗΜΟΣΘΕΝΗΣ or anyone else. I actually understand the text.

    have a nice day yourself

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • Peter are you the 75 years old guy who asked in other forum to make DNA test on the remains of king philip in Vergina's tombs in order to get ancient ancestry certification ? I recognize you from your paranoic written style Monologue without giving answers to live questions .You are using the same and the same copy text I HAVE FOUND A POST IDENTICAL TO YOURS IN EURASIA FORUM ,

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • If the impression of demosthenes in this funeral speach was that those men had been killed by barbarians in heronea he wouldn't say ...βουλήθησαν ἢ
    ζῶντες τὴν Ἑλλάδ’ ἰδεῖν ἀτυχοῦσαν, but he would say ..ιδειν τήν ελλαδαν υπο βαρβάρων δούλην ...... ( ti bazeis stoys skopianous aytoi oute boulgarika toy komitazi misirkov den katalabenoun ta grafo greeklish na min ta metafrazoun)!!!

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • The Peter COMEDY @ "do I have to tell you what Demosthenes wrote on the epitaph in 338 bc". YES PLEASE TELL us what Demosthenis has said on the epitaphy the friend above has already attached the speach in prototype language so, tell us your story what strange he has said That we have not seen? you are speaking to greeks who understand the speach from the original the text !!!!! SO TELL ME WHAT DID YOU FIND ?

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • I don't think anyone can compete with you greeks on the mastery of fabrications.Quote from Polybius"speakers of same language" with which the greek fellow wanted to use as proof that ancient Macedonians spoke same language as the ancient Hellens and thus,they must be classed as Hellens".
    Gandeto's answere to the above was;"Now,these same Greeks are burning the candle from the other end and want to argue the point but this time,since it suits their purpose,in the opposite direction:namely that"linguistic criteria are not only insufficient to denote ethnic naunces in the Balkans but they can be misleading".A lesson learned:"You cannot burn the candle from both ends and expect not to get burned.""You fellows are true students of the art of manipulation.As a matter of fact,you have not only mastered the art of manipulating the text but have brought it to another level,the levelof highest distinction.Like so many other things that you Greeks have invented this,the art of fabrication,is deservedly yours.You have won the argument hands down."
    John Adams,one of the founding fathers,in a statement written back on July 14th 1783 to the first US State Secretary Robert Livingston,clearly states he wanted to see Macedonia as well as Greece independent from Ottoman rule.Unfortunatly for some Balkan nations(including Macedonia),it was the French,Prussians(Germany) who decided who gets independence.
    They were the Big Powers in 1913 who partitioned Macedonia into 4 parts.Greece never was in Macedonian territory before then!Neither in Crete nor in Epirus.
    You can argue till you turn blue,facts are facts!
    John Adams was right characterizing the Greeks as"corrupted in their morals to such a degree,as to be faithless,perfidious race,destitute of courage..."
    To all of you approximatly 29 who responded,thank you.I am glad I touched on your nerves!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • gia na doume ti tha efeurei o polumhxanos skopianos...pragmatika re su file exeis paei sta skopia..milame gia emetikh katastash tourkiko protektorato.. kai gemato alvanous.

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • @Y97481138,Our Albanian population in the Republic of Macedonia does not have to change forcibly their names as you have done in Greece.Furtheremore,go in front of a mirror and ask yourself this simple question;what is my ethnic background,than come back and you can question me!
    One example;a commentator on another site braged of his greekness.I hit his nerves and said"my father is Albanian and my mother is Greek"Now,do the same!
    Vre fille,pes tin alithia,mi krivis tin ethnikotita sou.I perisoteri isaste Alvani,den ine kako,to kako ine pu den anagnorizete ton eafton sas.
    Min kanete san ton Papulia pu ine Alvanos(Sulaiman)to onoma tu prin 125 hronia ke musulmanos.
    Otan o ellinikos stratos traguduse stin Athina"tha kanume ruha apo tus makedones ke alvanus,o Papulias itan perifanos?To tragudi to stamatisan,omos poli arga.Afti i ellines isaste esis,opos o John Adams ipe prin 230 hronia.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • THE JoURNALISTS Candeto and Sevov from slavic blgarin diaspora are your sources Peter ? Ridiculous! "REZIL"! After Demosthenis EPITAPH speach that is unknown to you . you are talking about Polibious ... DO YOU KNOW THEM? why don't you tell us firstly what you have discovered about demosthenis epitaph ? you have promised to us a GREAT surprise! ha ha ha...what happened to you ? don't you find the relevant PROPAGANDA copy from Candeto about epitaph ? ....PETER your epitaph is Ande Portas Ha ha ha

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • akou na deis, agaphte, egw eimai apo th kwnstantinoupolh, apo verous ellhnes goneis pou anagkasthkan na fygoun to 56 afou tous kapsane oti eixan kai den eixan kai xeklhrisan olous tou ellhnes pou uphrxan. O ellhnismos einai adiamfhsvhtitos. xerwpolu kla apo pou eimai apo pou einai oi goneis mou kai olh mou h oikogeneia. to thema edw poio einai loipon. Edw to zhthma einai aplo: h kapileush ths istorias - kai oxi ths ethnikothtas. dioti me th propaganda kai thn epithetikothta opws vlepeis de vgainei akrh. H diplwmatia sas einai kuriolektika gi aklammata kai oi epithdies energeis de vgazoun pouthena. Kai epeidh eimouna sta skopia pro oligou kairou,uparxei logos gi ana kumatizoun oi tourkikes shmaies pantou? de katalavaineite oit kako stous eautous sas kanete? Emfanizetai kai o megas erntogan gia nas dwsei epivevaiwsei? Monoi sas de mporeite?

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • kai epanalamvanw. diavase nitse dioti o nathrwpos mallon kati parapanw apo ton adams hxere.
    filia

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • ΝΑ ΡΩΤΗΣΕΙΣ ΡΕ ΤΡΕΜΟΥΛΙΑΡΗ ΤΟΝ ΠΡΟΕΔΡΟ ΕΑΝ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΛΒΑΝΟΣ Η ΟΧΙ ΓΙΑ ΔΕΙΣ ΠΩΣ Γ...ΟΙ ΓΙΑΝΝΙΩΤΕΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΚΑΠΕΤΑΝ ΚΟΤΤΑΣ ΤΟ 1900 ΗΤΑΝ ΣΛΑΒΟΣ ΑΠΟ ΓΟΝΕΙΣ ΒΟΥΛΓΑΡΟΥΣ ΣΑΝ ΕΣΕΝΑ ΑΛΛΑ ΕΣΦΑΞΕ ΤΟΥΣ ΠΡΟΓΟΝΟΥ ΣΟΥ ΣΤΗ ΦΛΩΡΙΝΑ ΞΕΡΕΙΣ ΓΙΑΤΙ ? ΓΙΑΤΙ ΑΠΕΚΤΗΣΕ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΗ ΣΥΝΕΙΔΗΣΗ ΑΠΟ ΤΟΝ ΚΑΡΑΒΑΓΓΕΛΗ Ο ΙΣΟΚΡΑΤΗΣ ΛΕΕΙ ΕΔΩ ΚΑΙ 2500 ΧΡΟΝΙΑ ΟΤΙ ..ΜΑΛΛΟΝ ΕΛΛΗΝ ΚΑΛΕΙΣΘΑΙ ΤΟΥΣ ΤΗΝ ΠΑΙΔΕΥΣΕΩΣ ΤΗΣ ΗΜΕΤΕΡΑΣ Η ΤΟΥΣ ΤΗΣ ΚΟΙΝΗΣ ΦΥΣΕΩΣ ΜΕΤΕΧΟΝΤΕΣ Η ΕΝΟΙΑ ΠΑΙΔΕΥΣΕΩΣ ΕΙΝΑΙ ΑΥΤΟ ΠΟΥ ΑΠΛΑ ΣΗΜΕΡΑ ΛΕΜΕ ΚΟΙΝΗ ΕΘΝΙΚΗ ΣΥΝΕΙΔΗΣΗ ΑΣΧΕΤΗ ΙΣΩΣ ΑΠΟ ΤΗΝ "ΡΑΤΣΑ" ΤΩΝ ΓΟΝΕΩΝ ΣΟΥ .ΝΑ ΕΡΘΕΙΣ ΝΑ ΤΑ ΠΕΙΣ ΣΕ ΕΜΕΝΑ ΡΕ ΤΡΕΜΟΥΛΙΑΡΗ ΜΕ ΤΟ ΟΝΟΜΑ ΣΟΥ ΣΤΟ ΕΛΛΗΝΙΚΟ ΕΘΝΙΚΟ ΦΟΡΟΥΜ ΣΚΕΨΗΣ ΑΒΑΝΤΑΔΟΡΟΥΣ ΑΜΟΡΦΩΤΟΥΣ ΣΑΝ ΕΣΕΝΑ ΜΟΝΟ ΤΟ ΟΥΡΑΝΙΟ ΤΟΞΟ ΕΧΕΙ .ΟΙ ΣΚΟΠΙΑΝΟΙ ΒΟΥΛΓΑΡΟΙ ΣΥΜΠΑΤΡΙΩΤΕΣ ΣΟΥ ΤΑ ΛΕΝΕ ΚΑΛΥΤΕΡΑ

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • Mitsaras,the Aegean Macedonia is Macedonian,not Greek.Ke ean valis to golosu sti fotia,den tha alaxi tipotes.It proves what John Adams said 230 years ago.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • Mitsaras,if you are from Konstandinopoli,you are prosfigas stin Ellada.Stin Makedonia ton Egeon isaste xeni.Ego ime genimenos sta Floritika horia,o papus mu genimenos sto idio horio stis 1770.Esi kirie den mboris na mu pis pu ego den ime makedonas.To onoma mu o Metaxas mu ton alaxe,malista opos o Papulias prin 125 hronia.Esis apo tin mikra Asia irthate sta meri mas os Hristianus,ohi pu isaste Ellines.I antalagi tu 1926 itan antalagi me tus Turkus ke Hristiani.Simera stin Turkia tha anihtun sholia se makedoniki glossa,to akuses afto,i den thelis na to xeris?.Omos ston Egeon i makedones then mborun na anagnoristun ton eafton tu os makedones.Are you telling me,Greece is a democratic country.If you had any lineage between the ancient Hellens,they will turn in their graves!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    22/08/2012
  • Mitsaras,I don't have to prove to anybody who I am.But the truth is coming out from you the pure Greeks,LOL!
    Very interesting your comment by admitting you are from Konstandinopoli,and those from Izmir who claim they are pure Greeks.Aide vre Mitsaras,once a nerv is touched the truth is coming out.On the proving of Papulias,you are in Greece,ask him yourself.Pangalos as well and 60% other Albanians who have been hellenized.If there was a real Greek arguing with me I don't mind,but you people who pretend you are Greeks is another thing.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • EIPA EGO BRE MAKAKAKA OTI EIMAI APO KONSTANTINOUPOLI? TA EXEIS XASEI ? SEBOMAI THN HLIKIA SOY DEN SOY GRAFO STHN MALIARI GLOSSA DEN THELO ALLES KOUBENTES ME ENAN BOYLGARO ANTE PIES KANENA TSAGAKI KAI ASE TIN FLORINA O PATERAS SOY HTAN TYXEROS POY EFYGE THA EIXE THN TYXH TOY ANTON KALTSEV

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • Did i say that i am from Constantinople? are you well in mind? get your night medicine now?

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • Mitsaras,have I ever told you that I am Bulgarian?
    There is a two way street my friend.
    I had nor I have any connection to Bulgarian lineage,yet you constantly pluging the same issue over and over.The only peace we will find between our idioms is by recognizing each other who we are.
    When there is mutual recognition,there is peace my friend.Athena Skoulariki was right on her assesment,was she not?You can answere that question yourself.Now,who should take his nightly pill?.
    The main question is;who gave you the right to change my name?I am proud of my Macedonian heritage,the same as your claim of greekness.Have a good night!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • the same and the same from peter ...The "macedonian" heritage you are claiming for your self,has no historical base . but it is an artificial product originally born in 19th century from the bulgarian intellectuals and then took substance in 1944 by tito. The bulgarian heritage ,you are denying today with disgrace , was in the past a common belief from your grandfathers and no other nation in balkans was considering in the past your nation as non bulgarians , those are historic facts and we greeks would never recognize a fake nation ,we don't care what you are saying. An ex-bulgarian like you are,can not be named as macedonian since the macedonians historically are only greeks in conscience the comedy with your claims must be stopped

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • PETER WAS MISIRKOV SAME ETHNICITY WITH YOU? YES OR NO?НАРОДНОСТТА НА МАКЕДОНЦИТЕ K.MISIRKOV 1924....Наричаме ли се ний българи, или македонци, ний винаги се съзнаваме като отделна, единна, съвършено отлична от сърбите и с българско съзнание народност, която ще знае да наложи волята си в борбата за човешки права на македонеца. НАРОДНОСТТА ... Whether we call ourselves Bulgarians or Macedonians, we have always maintained a separate, unified and different from the Serbs ethnicity, with Bulgarian consciousness, which will entail the fight for the human rights of the Macedonian ...K.MISIRKOV 1924

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • nai kai twra dhladh ti theleis na mas peis? epeidh takimiasate me tous tourkaleous apo dipla tha anoixoun kai sxoleia? lgiko den einai ? kai oi duo sam mas miseite polu apla. giati dhladh den anoigoun kai ellhnika sxoleia loipon?..
    afou tous agapate kai sas agapane prosarththeite sth tourkia

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • μητσαρα σηκωνω τα χερια ψηλα! νομιζω μετα απο αυτο το quote μπορει να παει απο καταθλιψη ο κακομοιρης

    By :
    y97481138
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • Mitsaras,read it what it is being said.
    He clearly says,we are Macedonians.
    When Misirkov died,he said"When I die,I want my bones to be buried in Macedonia where the sun always shines".
    Now,you can twist the truth any way you want,but,he was Macedonian.You are twisting the truth just to suit your purpose.It is no wonder that,you are the true students of the art of manipulation.As a matter of fact,you have not only mastered the art of manipulating the text but have brought it to another level,the level of highest distinction.Like so many things that you Greeks have invented this,the art of fabrication,is deservedly yours.
    I have a question for you Mitsaras;What was Mitsotakis problem about the name of Macedonia at the interview for the"Name of Macedonia"by T.Skinalis in 1995?
    Or better,I will quote him and see if you can agree.Ex-Premier of Greece Constantinos Mitsotakis in 1995 recognized that "the problem with Macedonia was not the name but the Macedonian minority in Greece.
    From the moment I first saw it I recognized Skopjes theme in its true dimensions,What made me uneasy from the begining was not the name of this country...the problem for me was how to avoid creating a second minority problem in Western Macedonia.If the problem of the Slavo Macedonian minority in Western Macedonia is added to the Muslim minority,which sadly,with our errors is a dangerous development,the situation will become unsustanable for Greek external politics..."
    Mboris na apandisis se afto to thema,ne i ohi?
    On my comment about your birth place I wanted to give you the same recipe as you Greeks constantly pluging the fabricated"Bulgarian"againts us.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • @Y97481138&Mitsaras,Yes I am same ethnicity as Misirkov.If you please read what he said about his grave,you will better understand.Mitsaras,your friend said he is born in Istambul,but it felt nice to see your reaction.I feel the same with your fabrications!
    It proves my point,none of you have any lineage to ancient Hellens.
    Have a nice day!

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • Mitsaras and your Greek friends should read the Euroasia Review&Analysis under the title;Embracing The Full Menu of Human Rights,posted on 22 August 2012 09:46PM PDT.

    By :
    Peter
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • peter you are a live comedy ,at last you said something truth . you accept the same slavic ethnicity with Misirkov, thus both of you have the same bulgarian conscience as he writes in his article. The question is why all these days you were denying your bulgarian conscience !!!

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • TO PETER comedy that is trying to persuade his self and the others that his grandfather was not a BULGARIAN but one among Aristotle's relatives hahaha .I QUOTE FROM MISIRKOV 1903 ....Many people will want to know what sort of national separatism we are concerned with; they will ask if we are not thinking of creating a new Macedonian nation. Such a thing would be artificial and short-lived. And, anyway, what sort of new Macedonian nation can this be when we and our fathers and grandfathers and great-grandfathers have always been called Bulgarians? K.MISIRKOV 1903 on the macedonian matters ....

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • TO PETER COMEDY FROM MISIRKOV 1903 .....One of the first questions which will be posed by the opponents of national unification and of the revival movement in Macedonia will be: what is the Macedonian Slav nation? Macedonian as a nationality has never existed, they will say, and it does not exist now. There have always been two Slav nationalities in Macedonia: Bulgarian and Serbian. So, any kind of Macedonian Slav national revival is simply the empty concern of a number of fantasists who have no concept of South Slav history.K MISIRKOV ON THE MACEDONIAN MATTERS 1903 CHAPTER Can Macedonia turn itself into a separate ethnographical and political unit? Has it already done so? Is it doing so now?

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • PETER since you are just a joke i don't want bother you !So please inform your boys on diaspora that "mitsaras" a historian-archaeologist from greece expert in balkans history-ethnology (ancient and modern) wants to debate in your diaspora forums without ban, but be free to post about your nation myth using scholar bibliography and not copy from candeto

    By :
    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    23/08/2012
  • What is amazing with skopians (bulgarians) is that, they have no connection with real history but only ON what they have been told by their journalists falsifiers .When you say to them "but your grandfathers were bulgarians" they reply.. and you have no linearity in blood with ancient greeks !!the fool slavs consider that the blood is the link for heritage hahaha .But the ancient Greeks from 4th century bc have given answer to this question with Isocrates speach "WHO IS A GREEK" (ΤΙ ΕΛΛΗΝ ΚΑΛΕΙΣΘΑΙ) The major FACTOR for the hellenic heritage is the hellenic conscience and not the blood origin . i will remind that alexander the great wanted the barbarians be like the greeks . the same

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    mitsaras the great
    - Posted on :
    24/08/2012
Background: 

Of all the hurdles standing in the way of Macedonia's EU accession, the name dispute with Greece appears to be the biggest (see EurActiv LinksDossier on 'EU-Macedonia relations').

Seen from Athens, the official name used by Skopje – Republic of Macedonia – is an open challenge to the Greek region of Macedonia. In reprisal, Greece pledged to veto Macedonia's participation in international organisations, including the EU, until the issue is resolved.

During NATO's Bucharest Summit of 4 April 2008, Croatia and Albania were invited to join while Macedonia's bid was put on ice. This was perceived as a serious blow to Skopje's hopes. It also sparked harsh criticism of the Greek stance, as it was seen as a breach of the 1995 UN Interim Accord.

Under the Interim Accord, Greece dropped economic sanctions against the Macedonia in exchange for an agreements by the country to drop the use of an ancient Macedonian flag as its own, and amend the articles of its constitution which could be seen as hinting at claims to Greek territory.

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