EU elections: Latest across Europe

EU get-out-the-vote advert. Brussels International, April 2014. [Joel Schalit]

Nationals of the UK and the Netherlands stated voting today (22nd May) in the European elections. The UK holds combined local and European elections. On 23 May, EU elections will be held in Ireland and will also hold local elections. On Saturday, Latvians, Maltese and Slovaks will vote, as well as the French citizens from overseas territories.



George Mc's picture

@ United Alliance

To compare the British Businessman Paul Sykes and UKIP with the far right Nazi party is incorrect, inaccurate and just a little stupid.

As a matter of interest I seem to to remember Hitler led the National Socialist Party which was how he gained so much popularity so quickly in bad times.

It wouldn't surprise me if you drove a 'peoples' (Volkswagen) car.

Mike Parr's picture

I saw the interview with Farage where he defended his "alliance" with amongst others the Lega Nord whose leaders had defended the children murderer Brevik. Farage denied the (approving) comments that the leader of the Lega Nord made with respect to Brevik despite the fact that these are on record. This says all you need to know about the Lega Nord, UKIP and its leader. Both appear to subscribe to the views of a mass murderer of children.

United Alliance 's picture

George Mc
OF course YES!
But you can ignore it !
For me it's as long as wide !

Not only him but other "nazionalistic tax-evaders like him who sponsors money to such parties as FN Golden Dawn and AFD or former NSDAP and so on.
That's how always shitty things always happen when people get's frustrated !

The Problem by Hitler leader of NSDAP after having been elected by "naively" people Then Adolph's fuse blew away and holocaust-ed one countries after another.But not him alone . even today merely and preeminently kind of such party Leaders, a fuse blow occurs , when gaining popularity.
If you think they have good intentions then forget that !

Do you like to be forced by SS's (if not willing then be killed)for a time to teach languages in NSDAP schools ??

GeorgeMC I know that history well but unfortunately some people (liking?)ignore the history and have to feel their cruelty again before understanding again !

Sorry but I'm more for united feelings than self interested one!
Americans knows the sense of the Unity !

OR pay again for national cruelty! So simple !

No i never drove a VW but Japanese's or American's ;-)

George Mc's picture

@ United Alliance

My point is very simple. you should not brand politicians or a political party like UKIP as Nazi just because you disagree with their politics or point of view.

Some of the other parties that you mention may be inclined to extremism but please explain or supply links to why you have said this about UKIP and referred to them as NAZI.

Europhiles are very guilty of using extreme language when they are unable to justify their argument to others. You should also stop using the argument that because the USA is a federal state that it follows that Europe should follow.

That is the sort of rubbish we expect from 'an european'. The United States was born out of the UK and the English Language.
The EU has at least 24 languages with god knows how many different cultures. Putting that lot together into one state could make the USSR and Yugoslavia look like a good idea.

Mike Parr's picture

Mr Mc I have made the point that UKIP works with parties that appear to support the views of a person that murders children & then attempts to say that the party that they are allied with did not make those comments - when in fact (& on record) they did. I'll give Toad of Toad hall the benefit of the doubt - he does not support the (mass) murder of children - what it does show is that he is incapable of judgement or indeed common sense. He is - a pub entertainer - pity he did not stay there.

A eurofederalist's picture

@George Mc

I agree with you that a debate, especially in comments, is dead as soon as someone starts labeling their opponent using WW2 references. No Godwin point anyone, thank you.

Why did the UK freely decide to join the ECC when there were only six members, if putting different cultures and languages together is a bad idea ?

Why did it campaign everytime to enlarge it, even to Turkey, if it's a wrong idea to put different cultures and languages together ? (Cameron and all the previous UK PM always supported it)

Switzerland has four languages, but it works. India has more than 20 languages as well, so many ethnies and different cultures. But the country stands.

The USSR and Yugoslavia were dictatorships were the people and the countries had no say. All EU members freely decided to join the EU. Even the UK. No UK PM has ever decided to leave it - though they have the right to. Why do you compare the EU to such irrelevant organizations ?

George Mc's picture

@ A eurofederalist

I think you probably know the answers to your own questions and if not they would not be difficult to find on this site or via the general internet via Google, Yahoo or even good old Wikipedia.

As you will know the UK wanted to join the trading club and were twice blocked by General Charles de Gaulle. Once de Gaulle had departed the scene our Prime Minister Ted Heath was determined that we would join and told many lies and suppressed his real reasons for wanting to join. His successor Harold Wilson agreed to hold a referendum in 1975 and told nearly as many lies as Ted Heath.

(if you read the following link you will see just how the British people were conned. This statement was sent to every household in the UK. If you are a fair minded person you will understand how badly we were lied to. )

What the electorate thought they were joining was a trading club and every Prime Minister since has tried to see it enlarged for trading purposes. The vast majority did not believe we were joining a Federalist club which was hell bent on becoming the US of E. You should realise that the British constitution does not allow future generations to be restricted or have their rights removed by previous generations. It is now forty years since we joined the EEC and no one under the age of 56 has had a say on our membership. That is why many of us are fighting to at least have a referendum. You should also realise that is a once in a generation thing and we will all have to be bound by the final outcome, which could be a bit tight.

Eurofederalist, you are correct about the languages spoken in Switzerland and possibly in India but as usual with Euro-Philes you have overegged the pudding. The official languages in India are Hindi and English. However you have managed to help me make my point by using India as an example that could be followed by Europe. If you do a bit of research you will find that because of the many dialects and languages spoken in India, with only two official languages there is a great deal of friction and problems caused by this. Which only helps to prove my point about the EU.

I am happy to accept your point about the former USSR and Yugoslavia but I fear you have again missed the point. My reason for comparing them to the EU was purely to point out what happens when you try and glue different peoples, cultures and languages together to form a state which is the idea of some idealists who are more interested in succeeding with out giving the method and potential problems too much thought. The fact that the former states were dictatorships is irrelevant.

Incidentally the EU is not exactly a hot bed of democracy!

I am also very happy if the rest of the EU or Euro area feel that to fix their problems they may have to appoint a Finance Minister and possible a proper President. It is not something that I want my country to be part of but I have no right to interfere with your deams and hopes, so crack on.

Mike Parr's picture

Mr Mc "Ted Heath was determined that we would join and told many lies and suppressed his real reasons for wanting to join" substantiate - what lies what suppressions - if you cann't, then what you are saying is assertions.

The Labour leflet looked OK to me.

"You should realise that the British constitution does not allow future generations to be restricted or have their rights removed by previous generations." Straightforward lie - there is no "British constitution" just a series of laws to key the proles in line and the aristos in power.

"many of us are fighting to at least have a referendum. You should also realise that is a once in a generation thing"
ah a "neverendum" then - every time the Brits don't like something they roll back to... a "neverendum" -pathetic.

"Which only helps to prove my point about the EU" - what point? English is the de-facto in the institutions.

"glue different peoples, cultures and languages together to form a state" you are losing it here - what has this got to do with the EU - sure it's different ..... so what. Try talking to the people from the USA sometime - different... blah blah blah.

"Incidentally the EU is not exactly a hot bed of democracy!" so you didn't vote today than? Is this the best you can do Mr Mc?

A eurofederalist's picture

@George Mc

Hello :)

First of all, thank you very much for your courtesy - and your slight touch of British humour that I've always been fond of.

I did have my own answers to my questions indeed, but they differ from yours :) Never mind.

I read the pamphlet under the link you posted. I might not use a word as strong as "lies", but I agree that the British people was, at the very least, misguided. There's no mention of an "ever closer union", for example. Maybe not all that is written is untrue, but a lot was indeed omitted :)

I'm not sure you've made your point with India. There are indeed frictions and problems because of the numerous dialects and languages the Indians speak. But it has been more than half a century since they formed, and not only is India showing no evidence they will disintegrate, quite the opposite, but what's more, they've proven it is possible to constitute a country in spite of all this diversity.
Of course there are frictions, there always is. But if they can manage to form a federal state, maybe we can. And even if there was no other example in the world or in the history, I'd still think it's worth a try - but let's agree to disagree on that one.

I agree that things were done, especially in the euro-area, without giving potential problems too much thought, and I also agree that the EU or euro-area could and should be more democratic (though I consider it already is). Which is exactly why I'm a eurofederalist : to put more democracy in all this pudding, and make it more clear and more effective.

I actually can't wait for your people to have this referendum. Whatever your decision, it'll help us all Europeans to move forward, with either a more constructive partner or a reluctant partner less.

Well, in the end, I realise we're not really in opposition. We disagree on whether the EU and eurofederalism is good or not for our countries, but we both agree that the British people deserves a referendum. We both agree on the weaknesses of the current EU. We both agree that the euro-area should push forward on its own. And we both hate the status quo.

All the best.

George Mc's picture

@ A eurofederalist

You are most welcome and thank you for conducting your end of the discussion in an intelligent and reasonable manner.

Good Luck.

Charles_M's picture

"united alliance" and "an european" seem to have identical grammar, syntax, errors and over use of exclamation marks - what a coincidence! how many identitities does "an european" have? I think 3 at least. Still its a good if dishonest way of spreading the word.

A Londoner's picture

I think it is highly unlikely that there will be a UK referendum on the EU. It will only happen if there are a majority of MPs in favour and since Labour is against a referendum that is unlikely.

Politically that is probably wise since I suspect any EU referendum is likely to be unwinnable if it can be linked to immigration. But it does mean the present situation of in, but not fully in, will continue.

A eurofederalist's picture

@A Londoner
I unfortunately have to agree with you :-/ UKIP and Tories candidates will make votes split in the next elections, making Labour win a landslide. Hence, must Miliband think, why should they propose a hazardous referendum they're unlikely to win on a subject they don't wanna discuss ?

For this to change, either UKIP should be more threatening to the Labour and attract some of their votes - which I doesn't seem likely, or UKIP voters should trust Cameron to stick to his word that he will organize a referendum - not totally sure either.

Should the British have supported the AV system, I humbly believe it might have been easier to get your referendum on the EU ^_^

George Mc's picture

@ A eurofederalist

In your reply to 'A Londoner' you say

"Should the British have supported the AV system, I humbly believe it might have been easier to get your referendum on the EU ^_^ "

I think that your logic on that may be a bit flawed. Strong governments are able to govern regardless. What we currently have with our neutered coalition government is an example of why AV does not work for us. It is exactly what we would be condemned to if we had AV. It is something that continentals seem to get on with but the exasperation of the British would be palpable after after two or three terms of that.

George Mc's picture

@ Christopher M

Labour 1st
UKIP 2nd
Conservatives 3rd
Lib Dems 4th

So yes the Conservatives and Lib Dems will take a kicking.

Ray Finch's picture

"A eurofederalist"

UKIP are already making inroads into Labour votes. Particularly in the North East and North West. As with the other old parties the Labour vote has now become a tribalist vote and bears no relation to the original party. Its hierarchy more closely resembles that of the Conservatives than its members.

We see ourselves as the true "One nation" party, unshackled to either big business or big unions. Our argument is that both the Labour and Conservative parties are essentially corporatist structures and we are working to give the people of the UK a real alternative.

It was nice to read your earlier discussion and see a member of the "Pros" presenting a case without using abuse. Would that we had more reasoned discussion on all sides.

Ray Finch
UKIP South East England MEP Candidate.

Mike Parr's picture

"we are working to give the people of the UK a real alternative"
& what alternative would that be Finch? - many of your members (and elected members) appear to be racist, employ illegal immigrants, anti-homosexual, sexist & hypocritical (your er... leader) and so forth. So that would be the choice you give to the UK? Oh lets not forget that you are allied to parties that support child killers (Lega Nord) . Bravo.

BTW The attendance of UKIP MEPs in the previous parliament is... a non-attendance, they used their expenses etc to fund your party - an interesting abuse of parliamentary priviledge. I suppose if you are erected - you will have benefited from this abuse of..... UK taxpayers money. As the late great Peter Cook said "hypocrisy, the Vaseline of political intercourse" (Clive James Show) - tell me Finch - do you buy yours wholesale?

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