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Hungary puts its Roma to work

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Published 21 September 2011

The European Commission said yesterday (20 September) it is unaware that local authorities in Hungary are putting Roma to work under programs reminiscent, according to the opposition, to labour camps under Nazi or Soviet domination.

A plan approved by the Hungarian Parliament in July requires anyone who receives a social allowance to work on construction sites, to clean the streets or maintain parks and forests. In the case of refusal, the allowances would be stopped. Some flexibility is envisaged with respect to elderly and sick people, as well as to single parents with children.

Some 300,000 people are expected to be working in "community services". Officially targeted toward the jobless, according to critics, the plan is ethnically motivated and directed toward the Roma population.

People under the programme are paid the equivalent of €200 a month, which is more than the basic social allowance, but less than the minimum wage.

A report on the Belgian RTBF television broadcast on 19 September has shown a number of Roma in the town of Gyöngyöspata clearing dead wood in a forest. Apparently, some thirty people had worked hard over several days for the same result a tractor could obtain in a few hours.

Bloomberg quoted Károly Lakatos, a 38-year-old father of three who was laid off earlier this year from his forklift-operator job in an auto parts factory, calling the work conditions "degrading".

Gyöngyöspata is governed by the far-right Jobbik party. A few months ago, dressed in black paramilitary uniforms, extremists of the so-called 'Hungarian Guard' marched through Gyöngyöspata, in an apparent effort to intimidate the Roma population. One of the Jobbik officials in the town was quoted as saying that the non-Roma population supported the measure, as thefts had decreased.

Hungary will no longer "give benefits to those capable of work, when there is much work to be done," the Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said in June.

The opposition Socialist Party says the program "is based on fear and force, just like in a previous era of terror"—an allusion to the hundreds of thousands of Hungarians who were conscripted for Nazi and Soviet work camps, Bloomberg reported.

Asked to comment, a Hungarian diplomat from the country's Permanent Representation to the EU said that the currently running pilot projects include forestry work near Gyöngyöspata (felling, clearing of the area and planting new trees), the cleaning of the bed and banks of local streams near the same village, similar forestry works near Gyöngyösoroszi, the construction of new bicycle roads on top of a dam at the Tisza-river,  and auxiliary road maintenance (e.g. clearing of road side channels, collecting road side trash, repairing bus stops, etc) at several locations across seven counties.

In particular, the road maintenance projects are executed in rural areas with scant or sometimes non-existent employment opportunities. Altogether, these projects already employ over 1,000 people for the time being, 8 hours a day, at a wage not below the national minimum wage, the diplomat insisted.

"The projects are too new to give any solid evidence, but experience so far is positive," he stated, adding that based on the result of the pilot projects, "the program shall be expanded to cover large numbers of people who are currently left behind by the labour market".

COMMENTS

  • One, making citizens, who are on social assistance, do community services has been applied by many governments the world over, especially if the economy is weak. Two, it may be true that the far-right Jobbik party has an anti-Roma attitude. Three, Nazi and Soviet work camps were horrid. But the Socialist Party has here made unfounded connections between the three - that Orban's program is anti-Roma and reminiscent of former work camps is pure rhetoric without basis. Nonetheless, the government should carefully watch how the program is implemented at the local level, so that it is not manipulated for political or racial purposes.

    By :
    Anonymous
    - Posted on :
    21/09/2011
  • On the same, a bit lengthy but worth it:
    http://thecontrarianhungarian.wordpress.com/2011/08/22/mandatory-public-work-projects-in-hungary/

    By :
    Republician
    - Posted on :
    21/09/2011
  • This is why the IV Reich will fall, it tries to block anything which makes sense, it tries to crush anything with its ridiculous views on "human rights" - the EU is a joke.

    This Reich, like the last three, must fall

    By :
    Arbaton
    - Posted on :
    21/09/2011
  • ...these people have been a pariah on working Hungarians....some collecting more in assistance then some citizens working actual jobs.....they have many dependents receiving aid after each and every one of them...they give nothing back....receive free health care and end up gambling, drinking and squandering the money they receive....if you receive money, you should work for it....Orban is the only one who makes sense for this country.....

    By :
    Anonymous
    - Posted on :
    21/09/2011
  • Work for your keep. Sounds like a reasonable concept. We in America need to reinstitute this type of work process. My grandfather used to plant trees during the Great Depression. It was a government "make work" project - a good idea.

    By :
    STEELWOLVES
    - Posted on :
    21/09/2011
  • I agree with asking people to work in return for social benefits (with some exceptions mentioned before) and I see no problem with that.

    However, I very dislike the title of the article because it is based on the idea that Roma are the ones who benefit from social service, so they are the ones who are asked to work. I know that this is the belief of some people, but by using this title, the author shares this argument, which I find racist and recommend to be changed.

    By :
    Razvan
    - Posted on :
    21/09/2011
  • Why is it ok to compare work programs for the unemployed to the third reich? The Roma people have an unemployment rate of between 90-100%. In Norway it's 100%. They are routinely in court for abusing the system with registering to many kids, receiving welfare that they should not have and vandalizing private and government property. They are also overrepresented on the statistics concerning burglary, violent home invasions, thieving and robbery. Getting these people OFF the streets and OFF their criminal career is NOT resurrecting Hitlers/Stalins gulags! It's solving a very important question, that we in the west have not been dealing with adequatelly. From this program, things will be done, people will receive money and crime will be down. How is that nazi?

    By :
    Henry
    - Posted on :
    21/09/2011
  • I'm hungarian, and I know what the truth is: It is true that romas & gypsies are lazy, they make 10 kids in poverty to get a lot of social walfare benefit, and most of them never even had proper job. We are paying huge taxes to cover their lazy asses. And Orban Victor or a geniune gypsy, he is not hungarian-look it up, it is fact! SAD!

    By :
    andinka
    - Posted on :
    21/09/2011
  • Anyone who compares this to nazi/soviet camps is delusional. The truth is, Hungary just as Romania, Bulgaria, and other countries who are catering roma inside their borders are tired of them. It's a problem for these countries for centuries. And for those who think that the "Hungarian national guard" is nazilike, get your head out of the sand. It's nothing more then a defensive reaction from the society against these vile animals. People need to understand that, as some other posters said above me, these people - the roma - abuse the system because the system is too forgiving. They don't make children because they want them, because they plan ahead, they do it because for them its a way of income, having children constantly makes sure they recieve money from the government.

    By :
    Codoh
    - Posted on :
    21/09/2011
  • If I would be a Roma, I would be very glad to do something for the community, which is useful. Therefore the rest of the population could see, that without any moaning we could work. Otherwise, it`s economic crises all over the world. What kind of work could they do? Professor job or working as a doctor? They are really unskilled. That`s ridiculous. I think the main point is, while they are working, they are not stealing, not get bored, not drinking. Their children see a good example, not like get up at noon, and drinking alcohol, than going out for fun to get scared the locals. When people claiming themselves as human rights activist, they just do not want to show the other side of the story.

    By :
    susie
    - Posted on :
    22/09/2011
  • Just a little note on the so-called "opposition" of the current Hungarian government:

    It is primarily the "Hungarian Socialist Party" and the "liberals" who claim that this program forces Roma people into labour camps reminiscent to Nazi and Soviet camps.
    It is really charming when post-communists make reference to communist crimes... and it is all the more charming when those guys call themselves "liberals" who actually took away resources from people and in that way took away their freedom and liberty...

    First of all, comparing these public work programs to those death camps is simply ridiculous... No one forces the Roma to work in those programs. If they do not want to get paid but prefer being hungry, they are free to do that. By the way most people has to do the same everywhere in the world, (being Roma or not Roma, it does not matter). Why would Roma deserve a different treatment? Because they are racially superior?

    Second: it is actually the so-called "socialist-liberal" coalition which was in governmental position in 14 years since 1989 in Hungary. During those years their policy was actually doing nothing for the benefit of the Roma population. Simply put, they did not give a shit what happens to them. Now that they are given a chance to work and get paid for it, they suddenly call that "forced labour". Yeah, it is terrible, that if you want some food on your table, roof over your head, etc. you have to work for it. Terrible... And just as terrible that you must not kill old pensioners in the countryside, torture them and take what little they have. Terrible...
    The young Roma population actually had every opportunity in Hungary in the past 60 years to integrate into a modern industrial society. Their education was free, they received more than generous scholarships, supports in these decades. Only a tiny fraction of the Roma population in Hungary made an effort to make use of the opportunity. And this is also true today. Why? The answer lies in the Roma culture, which actually punishes those in the community who want to break out from that culture NOT based on respecting other people's work. That culture (and NOT the Roma population!) must be eliminated if we do not want to see the Roma people suffer and make other people suffer because of them. This would be nothing new in history - it happened to other people as well.

    And if it starts with those programs, it is about fricking time.

    By :
    BalóDal
    - Posted on :
    22/09/2011
  • I was the one who sent the first comment on this article. Now looking at the rest that followed, it's good to see how many disagree with the "Socialists'" ridiculous comparisons. I think EurActiv should try harder to have reporting that is more balanced. I find that EurActiv often writes extremely critical stories about the Orban government that are not balanced. Perhaps they are being over-influenced by "Socialists" in Brussels? Furthermore, it's unfortunate to see so much anger against Roma in the above comments - one must remember there are also plenty of other Hungarians who don't want to work and who prefer to make money illegitimately.

    By :
    Anonymous
    - Posted on :
    23/09/2011
  • During the Great Depression, work was not compulsory and was not targetting any specific group of population. That is the difference with Hungaria. it targets Roma specifically, and that is pure and plain discrimination against one specific part of the population. But one should not forget that Hungaria was a willing ally of the Nazi Third Reich, deported happily its Jewish population to extermination under the Regent Horty, but like Austria was never called to account. Scapegoating works well among brain dead people intoxicated with their own failures. Besides the French know a bit about this mental pattern as they have elected a president of fresh Hungarian descent that relish in blaming roma and foreigners for all the problems of its own countries. In Belgium, flemish and wallons empty heads are lucky they can blame each others.

    By :
    Anonymous
    - Posted on :
    29/09/2011
  • So you are all hard-working hungarian citizens and write aour filthy comments only for the good of your society, aren´t you? And you think you know something about history when denying the similarities between your goverment´s and Nazi/Soviet practices, don´t you? THEN THINK ABOUT THAT: the persecution and discriminarion of Roma in Europe ist a very old process, and unlike Jews they never had experienced help from wise state leaders who would give them chances to participate in the society, or had a network in different european countries that would make the single families a part of something bigger. They were excluded from work, education and participation for centuries. WE HAVE LET THEM COME TO THE STATE THEY CURRENTLY ARE IN! And now live with the consequences or help these people, but stop yapping noncsense, "poor hard-working Hungarians"!

    By :
    Sebastian
    - Posted on :
    29/09/2011
  • Oh yeah, poor romas society, if you want to treat them equals, than they have to act equally! No more "oh poor roma" treatment from the rest of the society! I say equal right for everyone! No one is superior to other one! Not even the romas!

    By :
    susie
    - Posted on :
    08/10/2011
Hungarian 'national guard' in Gyöngyöspata
Background: 

Following general election held in April 2010, Hungary's Prime Minister Viktor Orbán said that voters had carried out a "revolution" by giving his party Fidesz (EPP-affiliated) two thirds of the seats in parliament to rebuild Hungary after a near financial collapse.

Hungary took over the six-month presidency of the Council of Ministers on 1 January 2011. Its first six weeks were marked by controversy over a media law adopted before Christmas.

On 16 February, the problem appeared to have been largely solved, with the European Commission welcoming amendments to the law that Hungary had pledged to make.

But analysts say that the media law is only the "tip of the iceberg" regarding the direction taken by Hungary under the Fidesz government.

In April, Hungary adopted a new constitution, which the opposition socialist leader, Attila Mesterhazy, called "a Fidesz party constitution". The constitution has been severely criticised by civil liberties groups and Guy Verhofstadt, leader of the European Parliament's liberal group, who called it "a Trojan horse for a more authoritarian political system in Hungary based on the perpetuation of one party rule".

The new Hungarian government has also adopted retro-active laws and "special taxes", prompting a number of Western firms to lodge complaints with the EU Commission

Apparently disappointed by the EU's incapacity to defend democracy in Ukraine, Hungarian intellectuals recently called on the USA to take position against what they called their country's "autocratic system".

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