52% of Brits would vote to leave EU tomorrow

  
Nigel Farage's party could win more than 100 seats in parliament in the UK's 2015 general election.

The latest Opinium/Observer poll published on Sunday (19 January) suggested 52% of the British public aged over 18 would vote to leave the EU tomorrow, a small increase since last November when 50% said they would vote to leave.

Sunday's poll, carried out by Comres for the Independent on Sunday newspaper, also suggests the anti-EU and anti-immigration policies of the UK Independence Party (UKIP) remain popular even though Cameron has already deployed tougher rhetoric on both issues.

Vince Cable, Britain's minister for business, is reportedly telling foreign investors there was a 5% chance his country would leave the 28-nation bloc.

Asked by the newspaper whether foreign companies had raised concerns, Cable said: "The answer is yes. What I say (to businesses) as a government minister is that the risks of us leaving the EU are very, very low ... and I just try to reassure foreign investors."

UKIP is Britain’s favourite

The poll spelt more trouble for the Conservative British Prime Minister David Cameron.

Britons named UKIP as their favourite political party in the poll, dealing a setback to Cameron ahead of elections to the European Parliament.

The survey came days after another poll showed Cameron's Conservatives are set to finish behind UKIP in the May election, meaning they are on course to finish third in a nationwide vote for the first time.

Though UKIP has no seats in the British parliament, its popularity is a problem for Cameron because it threatens to split his own vote at a national election in 2015, depriving him of outright victory.

Its strong poll ratings also worry eurosceptic lawmakers in Cameron's own party who want him to adopt a tougher anti-EU stance, something he has balked at, raising the possibility of a damaging internal rift of the kind that contributed to the downfall of the last two Conservative prime ministers.

If the Conservatives do particularly badly at the May elections for the European Parliament, a significant number of eurosceptic lawmakers are threatening to stir up trouble for Cameron.

UKIP has 13 seats in the European parliament and took a quarter of the votes cast in local elections in May.

It wants Britain to leave the EU and an end to what it calls "open-door" immigration. There is evidence it has siphoned support from all political parties, but it has attracted a large number of former Conservative voters in particular.

The poll, which interviewed a sample of 2,029 Britons earlier this month, found 27% of them had a favourable view of UKIP, more than any other party.

By contrast, 25% said they shared the same view of Cameron's Conservatives, with 26% expressing the same opinion about the opposition Labour party.

Party discipline

Only 14% said they had a favourable view of the Liberal Democrat party, which is in a two-party coalition with Cameron's Conservatives.

Nigel Farage, UKIP's leader, also scored highly, with 22% of those polled saying they had a favourable view of him, a rating second only to Cameron's who scores consistently highly in polls about his leadership qualities.

The poll came as UKIP was battling to restore party discipline after one of its local councillors in England caused it embarrassment by saying recent flooding across Britain was God's punishment for parliament backing gay marriage.

Cameron has promised to try to renegotiate Britain's EU relationship if re-elected in 2015 and to then offer Britons an in/out membership referendum.

Labour, which polls show remains a narrow favourite to win in 2015, does not favour a referendum.

Timeline: 
  • 22-25 May 2014: European elections
  • 1 Nov. 2014: Newly constituted European Commission takes office
  • 2015: British elections
  • 2017: Possible referendum in the UK on EU membership
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an european's picture

If it were Americans .. England wouldn't speak about "open-door" immigration.
England and will be the 51st common wealth U.S. State and speak the same language !

Nick Cowles's picture

Well I am Brit , and whilst I believe that being a member of a trading collective such as the European Union is an excellent idea ,I don't not think a political union is.

We Brits have enough problems to deal with be it the incompetence of our own politicians and we certainly don't need the incompetence of unaccountable highly paid bureaucrats of the E.U. to add to the mess we are already in.

The fact that in the E.U. the Accounts aren't balanced the bureaucratic waste as well as the rules which are followed by many and ignored by others with no apparent resolution. Obviously any collection of countries are never going to agree or even interpret the rules in the same way ...

There from my prospective is a common thread that the Management of the E.U. is heading towards Political Legal and Financial Union of all member countries ... don't forget we Brits were promised a Referendum on the Treaty of Lisbon which our Government at the time back traded on and the rest of our Political Elite did nothing about ... no wonder us Brits are annoyed.

That same Government also without my vote certainly opened the flood gates to immigration from outside the E.U ..even one of our Ambassador's got fired for speaking out... hence the reason why that political party is no longer in power ... lucky they are not in jail for Treason in my view and then we have our own Border control and passport control being labelled as '' not fit for purpose.''

On top of this a Welfare system which I cant claim on but is paying out huge amounts of money to some of our own and others .

So lets get down to the issue here Britain is in a mess socially politically systemically as well as financially so we the British people need a bit of a time out to sit down by ourselves and sort our own systems finances and sort out the Politicians ,perhaps once we have that sorted may be then we will be ready . Don't forget we have no constitution just a whole load of twits telling us what we should do and think ... they have to go .

fingo's picture

"Obviously any collection of countries are never going to agree or even interpret the rules in the same way ... "

I can't quite believe that. For example, the International Maritime Organization makes rules for international shipping. And most if not all countries apparently agree.

Mike Parr's picture

Ah yes UKIP - and its nutty members - note the one that claimed that the recent floods were caused by God as divine punishment for Dive (Moron-con) passing the gay marriage legislation. I'm not making it up. Admittedly the kippers booted him out - but one wonders how many other headbangers are members of the kipper party and what will creep out of the woodwork at the next EU elections.

If the UK leaves the EU I have a question: who will continue to give free gifts (Common Ag policy) to Mrs Windsor and all the other land owning aristos? That's going to be fun to watch.

Nick Cowles's picture

Fingo / Nick

Thanks yours ref E.U what about the French Govt ignoring the directive with regards to divesting state shareholding in Energy Companies .. what about the directive with regards to size of Pig pens which various Eu countries have ignored .

With regards to The I.M.O. but not sure that is really the same sort of association that the European Union is ... mind you the carriage of goods by sea act is a prime example of countries not necessarily agreeing on what amendments they will accept .... and then you get onto the ''Rotterdam '' or the '' Hamburg '' rules and you will find that most shipping contracts in dry bulk for example have specific clauses sidestepping same.
Also isn't there an issue on Disposal of Blast Water going on thanks to the US Coast Guard .

And wasn't there a bit of a stand down on Marpol Annex 1V with regards to receivers and port authorities having not prepared suitable disposal facilities on bilge and hold cleaning water??

Anyway thanks your input

Nick Cowles's picture

Mike Parr / Nick

UKIP - not me ... not as yet anyway ... I seem to remember writing a while ago about lets give Europe another Chance by just ignoring all the directives ..and doing the same as others .
Didn't Italy and Greece just outright lie with regards to their Ratios with regards to the Euro.
Doesn't France and Germany forcibly extradite unwanted foreign nationals back to their own countries and let them petition at their own cost expense and time to the European court of human rights.

I have no idea what legal rights Britain has given away under the Treaties of Lisbon and Maastricht but assuming Britain were to ignore them perhaps we could be as happy as the rest of the European members.

Ref your free gifts Under the Common agricultural policy absolutely agree we need to end this and all GRAVY-TRAIN's , after all cereal farmers have been doing extremely well over the last few years financially actually growing cereal crops with world prices so high .

Nick Cowles's picture

Mike Parr / Nick

UKIP - not me ... not as yet anyway ... I seem to remember writing a while ago about lets give Europe another Chance by just ignoring all the directives ..and doing the same as others .
Didn't Italy and Greece just outright lie with regards to their Ratios with regards to the Euro.
Doesn't France and Germany forcibly extradite unwanted foreign nationals back to their own countries and let them petition at their own cost expense and time to the European court of human rights.

I have no idea what legal rights Britain has given away under the Treaties of Lisbon and Maastricht but assuming Britain were to ignore them perhaps we could be as happy as the rest of the European members.

Ref your free gifts Under the Common agricultural policy absolutely agree we need to end this and all GRAVY-TRAIN's , after all cereal farmers have been doing extremely well over the last few years financially actually growing cereal crops with world prices so high .

Barry Davies's picture

I see Mike Parr couldn't resist mentioning the Councillor that was elected as a tory member who has had a mental breakdown, could happen to anyone e as proof that UKIP are fruitcakes well the fact that he was a tory could allow you to tar the nasty party the same way. I really despise people who use ill health as a means of propaganda.

It is a shame Nick Cowles, that you pontificate on here without ever having read the constitution, aka the lisbon treaty or the treaty of rome, which is why you have no idea, and clearly you fail to understand just how much farmers are paid not to produce in the eussr.

Barry Davies's picture

Focusing the EU’s structural funds on less wealthy member states and stopping the recycling exercise where richer member states subsidise each other’s regional development policies would save just over €20bn.

Over one quarter of the EU budget is spent on subsidies to farmers and landowners, irrespective of whether they are engaged in any meaningful economic activity.

Slimming down and re-focusing the CAP would bolster both rural job creation and the delivery of environmental benefits, while also achieving a saving of almost €24bn.

The cost of EU quangos to European taxpayers has gone up by 33% in two years. Simply scrapping those that duplicate others’ work or add no value, would save €431m.

Scrapping the European Parliament’s additional seat in Strasbourg could save €180m.

Last year, the Parliament issued tenders with a combined value of over €62.4m related to the maintenance of the Strasbourg seat – despite the building standing empty 317 days a year.

The cost of running the European Parliament has increased by 36% since 2005, and totals €1.7bn, while expenditure on MEPs’ salaries and allowances has increased by 77.5%, and cost €190m in 2012, excluding pensions and transitional allowances.

This is largely due to reforms in 2009 which standardised MEPs' pay across all member states, which had been hugely divergent, and shifted the cost from member states to the EU budget.

Also, since 2005, spending on Commission pensions has increased by 48.6%, amounting to €1.3bn today, while expenditure on Commission staff salaries has risen by 17.9% and now totals €2.1bn, although this is down from a record high of €2.2bn in 2010.

Since 2005, EU spending on ‘Education and Culture’ has risen by 61%, now standing at €1.54bn. The DG for Education and Culture employs 487 staff – more than the DG for Internal Market and Services.

Meanwhile, despite the importance of trade and the single market, only 2.6% of the EU budget is explicitly dedicated to facilitating these policies.

international foundation for research and innovation  's picture

After we will publish a concept which shows how countries with high rate immigrations can take advantages of this and get billions of euro things will change

international foundation for research and innovation  's picture

After we will teach England how they can use their multicultural advantages to get billions of euro things will change

international foundation for research and innovation  's picture

After we will demontrate that despite Uk have the most ranked universities in EU but they education programme are old un updated and because of this when students finish their studies nobody employ them things will change

international foundation for research and innovation  's picture

UK is in top banking and financial business in Europe and a large number of students and professionals are making business there or studing because also of the advantages to be in EU If UK will leave a large number of investors wil leave the country and millions of people will lose their jobs

an european's picture

@By : international foundation for research and innovation - Posted on : 20/01/2014reply
Flag as abusive

No problem
As already Goldman Sachs said in case of the 7000 workforces will leave the City of London onto the City of Europe ! Many companies no a lot will do the same because of unaffordable economic status !
But of course it's Ukip ....

Nick Cowles's picture

Barry / Nick

Sorry delay had to do battle with the NHS on behalf of elderly mother anyway back to Brits and Europe the word '' PONTIFICATE '' what a glorious word (an Italian word) .. not quiet sure which meaning you are hurling at me, however on the Treaty of Lisbon which page of the 231 are you talking about and ref Treaty of Rome 1957 which of the 80 pages ... concerning no idea you are probably right I don't know the specifics of the C.A.P. well done to you, but I am not arguing based on the numbers , I am arguing based on the Directives that Britain follows sheepishly and many of the other players seemingly choose to ignore ... whether they get into as much trouble as us I don't know or perhaps they are lost with all the back scratching that goes on.

Love your numbers and figures and will certainly save them on my blackberry and having watched Mr Farage on Youtube he certainly makes a clear , eloquent and persuasive speaker.

Nick Cowles's picture

To the International Foundation for Research and Innovation

Wow an impressive sounding name .

Ref Goldman Sachs leaving the U.K. ... yes please they are so good at making money from money it has led our own banks cutting corners and losing their moral compass just to try to stand in the shadow of Goldman Sachs , think they are mostly '' non doms '' tax wise anyway.

Ref Britain being the ' Top European financial centre '' indeed it is whether they would actually leave London is upto them it would certainly depress the London Property market ...no bad thing for us Brits and would probably lead to a large number of Europeans moving back to their home countries .

Just how much corporation tax does your institute calculate that the banks in London pay.

With regards to immigration in Britain .. look I don't know who you are or were you are based ..but I think even you will know that curry is our favourite dish followed by donna kebab after a night out and when people 75 years ago were fleeing Europe they came to Britain ... hey even I can claim some Huguenot blood dating back to Cardinal Richelieu when they fled France for Safe Haven.

Send us your Website address so we can find out more about your organisation and its Mission Statement ???

Nick Cowles's picture

To the International Foundation for Research and Innovation

Wow an impressive sounding name .

Ref Goldman Sachs leaving the U.K. ... yes please they are so good at making money from money it has led our own banks cutting corners and losing their moral compass just to try to stand in the shadow of Goldman Sachs , think they are mostly '' non doms '' tax wise anyway.

Ref Britain being the ' Top European financial centre '' indeed it is whether they would actually leave London is upto them it would certainly depress the London Property market ...no bad thing for us Brits and would probably lead to a large number of Europeans moving back to their home countries .

Just how much corporation tax does your institute calculate that the banks in London pay.

With regards to immigration in Britain .. look I don't know who you are or were you are based ..but I think even you will know that curry is our favourite dish followed by donna kebab after a night out and when people 75 years ago were fleeing Europe they came to Britain ... hey even I can claim some Huguenot blood dating back to Cardinal Richelieu when they fled France for Safe Haven.

Send us your Website address so we can find out more about your organisation and its Mission Statement ???

Nick Cowles's picture

Fingo / Nick

where are you I was hoping to have a bit of shipping banter are you still in the industry ?

Otto's picture

Farewell and godspeed, Britain! I'm sure you'll be happy with the role of American puppet microstate bordering the European superpower.

Charles_M's picture

Otto - "European superpower" - is that your aspiration? A 4th Reich? Is that some sort of virility symbol for you? Does the idea raise your testosterone levels to record highs? Count me out please.

an european's picture

@Charles_M
I ve to agree with Otto !
I will go further than him : Where is the problem to have an Superstate or a kind of United States of Europe or European Republic !
I can only welcome this !
Do you've problem with the U.S.A.?
Come on! We know what the RED's always was interested for on that american revoltion war historically seen about colonialization or nationalization!Not to forget thoses poor Scots stamped on british flag!
Seems America don't like british flag because of sense of Unity !
The lack of the unity sense seems a mental disease for some which lead to multiple wars 1 2 as usual but of course discriminations against others are usually simplier ...
The only period in Europe was about 300 years of freedom between citizen during the Roman Empire which was a republic of course!
After these Years or the fallen of the Republic Europe faces only the greatest war massacre in history !

Seems amercian don't forget from these words :
El Pluribus Unum !

A Kind of sentence the little mentality don't understand.....

Barry Davies's picture

Intersting Otto an european, you think we would be a micro state of the US but have no problem with us being a micro state of the corruption ridden democratically deficient eussr, yes the eussr is far less democratic than the US. You talk about the Roman empire, now what happened to that, oh yes the nations within it got fed up with the corruption and the was a number of wars which destroyed it.

Otto's picture

@Charles_M

I see, you have no discontent about your country turning into an American puppet microstate. Is that your aspiration? The 51th US state? Does the idea of total submission arouse you? :)

I think we already discussed why we need a strong united European state (with or without Britain). There are obvious geopolitical, military, economical and humanistic reasons.

Otto's picture

@Barry Davies

Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?

I see you have no problem with Britain being a corruption ridden democratically deficient UKssr. But you love to criticize the EU, although the EU is far more democratic and far less corrupted than the UK.

Charles_M's picture

Otto - you are the icing on the cake for any europhobe; who would want to be like you? Luckily most europhiles are more intelligent and less bigotted than you are, so maybe there is still hope (if the EU reforms, that is)

tony a's picture

"As already Goldman Sachs said in case of the 7000 workforces will leave the City of London onto the City of Europe !" By : an european

Sorry to burst your bubble but the all powerful US bosses at GS have already put down the "suggestion" from their European operations director & ex EU commissioner that they are leaving London even if Britain leaves the EU.

Otto's picture

Charles_M

Sorry if i insulted you, i hate to do such things. But you was first who made personal remarks.

By the way, I observe an interesting phenomenon.
If a Briton call other countries names, no one bats an eye.
But, if some one call the UK names, every Briton loses his mind. Like, "This is absolutely unacceptable! how DARE you to be so vulgar!"
Sounds familiar?

Barry Davies's picture

Well Otto it is all to easy to draw comparisons between the eussr and the original, apparently Rehn and verhofstadt, a couple of nobodies have discussed between themselves who will be the next president of the commission, Rehn giving way, so there we are the only president that has any power in the eussr has been decided with no democratic input whatsoever.

Hoebert's picture

It is no surprise that a European Government would make mistakes as a national government would. However to use this as an argument to leave the EU is ill-advised.
Opponents like UKIP only enlarge issues but not mention benefits. It is so easy to scare people away from far away institutions especially when they do not understand what the EU brings us all.
Regrettably national politicians have always used Brussels as the scapegoat for their own mistakes and that has had an impact on the image of Brussels that is hard to reverse.

Barry Davies's picture

Well the european government you refer to is not elected, the commission hold the power not the parliament, and they are all failed politicians so the self serving disasters to everyone else that they come up with is no surprise. The bottom line is that to stay in the eussr is something only a few politicians and a minority of business leader want. There will of course be sheeple who believe the propaganda, that unfortunately is a fact of life some are to dumb to recognise reality, others are to idle to bother and just toe the line.

What benefit is there to the people whose nations are being overrun by immigrants forcing down the incomes and standard of living in those nations, what benefit is there in paying for parasite nations who have given up trying to fund themselves.

98% of new law comes from the commission but of course it is the 2% from the national governments that are the only mistakes according to europhile propagandists.

NICK Cowles 's picture

A quick challenge out there to you the contributors and thinkers
'' Is it because Britain has no written Constitution that causes Britain's uncertainty over the E.U.? ''

Appreciate your thoughts and feedback .

Barry Davies's picture

Not having a written constitution does not mean there is not one, it does mean however that it is far more flexible and can be adjusted to meet the changing times more efficiently and effectively. Takne the American constitution where people have wrongly assumed that it gives them the "right" to bear arms, although there is no where in it that says so, the government could easily make it clear that the so called "right" has been revoked and cut the murder rate very quickly, but as it is someone can waffle on about baseball scores etc and talk it down. The eussr constitution is even worse because there is no provision to amend any part of it without a complete reopening which the unelected commission are unlikely to ever agree to.

Chris F's picture

Britain voted to join what they believed to be essentially free trade zone. It has however changed over time into something radically different and is our sovereignty is fast disappearing. The Euro [ about which the UK was rightly sceptical] has proved tp be a disaster for the EZ and is leading to calls for further integration and political union. Unfortunately the British people have concluded "thus far and no further" and many, in fact most , voters want to roll back our membership to something more like a free trade/ single market membership . Our current relationship is viewed at best as being neutral to interest and at worse highly damaging. We have problems with our own politicians but influencing Brussels within what is now an enormous community with widely diverging national incomes/economies and interests which are very different. Added to this the EU is perceived to have democratic deficit with the Commission and ECJ having far too much influence over national lives. The idea of ever closer union is rejected.

Of course many large corporate business are now saying they would consider leaving [ they said this if we didn't adopt the Euro too ]. They quite naturally want stability and see the UK leaving as a threat to this. However if we did leave our new status would as part of a red trade zone akin to Switzerland and thus our trade line with the EU market would be largely unaffected. It is often said that we would lose infunce but Norway is consulted on changes and many multi nationals such as Ford or GM would still be able to influence other governments [ for example through their presence in Germany].

Ford recently said it might leave the UK - however what is clear that our membership of the EU did not stop it recently closing down a van factory in Southampton and relocating it to Turkey [oddly with the help of EU financial assistance -another example of the EU not being in UK interests? ]. Turkey is not in the EU [ but is part of the free trade area ] so the move wasn't to really do with our being in/out of the EU - i suspect it was the bottom line of wages, profits ,[ grant assistance] , exchange rates and productivity This will be the case for other multi nationals.. One wonders if this move would have happened without EU financial assistance. Nissan for example has one of the most efficient factories in the world in Sunderland. The recent successful Qashqai is not only built there but was designed there too. Closure is therefore unlikely in my view - certainly in the short term.

Business leaders are just wary of change but they were wrong about the Euro and the are wrong about our needing to stay in the EU.

Tom Tidswell's picture

Cameron had no prospect of securing any "winning" position in the 2015 General Election. He didn't secure a majority in an election where his main opponent, Labour, had caused the worst Depression in our Economic History. Having entered into Coalition, he has espoused Legislation of clear anti-popular significance and wonders why his Party-based electorate loath him. His coalition partner betrayed their own electorate the moment they achieved power and will be wiped out numerically at the next election.
So, Cameron, your party won't vote for you, your coalition partner's voters won't vote for them either. You'll have plenty of time when you're not in power, or even within spitting distance of it, to have that internal glow of satisfaction of personally ramming through Parliament "The Soddomites' Charter" and knowing that they couldn't care less for you. Alan Turing doesn't give a bugger, either. But then his mate Churchill gave away Turing's intellectual property to his mate Roosevelt and the Americans "invented" the computer. Altogether, Cameron can dwell upon the most famous observation in Politics, made by Enoch Powell, that every political career ends in disaster. Cameron's already has and utter couldn't happen to a more deserving cause.

Otto's picture

Chris F

Quote
Britain voted to join what they believed to be essentially free trade zone.
Unqoute

It's a popular misconception.
The first version of the EU - The European Coal and Steel Community (ECSC) - was already a POLITICAL, not an economical union.

The Schuman Declaration that created the ECSC had several distinct aims:

- It would mark the birth of a united Europe.
- It would make war between member states impossible.
- It would transform Europe in a 'step by step' process leading to the unification of Europe democratically
- It would create the world's first supranational institution.
- It would create a single market across the Community

So, Britain voted to join a _political union_ which also was OFFICIALLY the first step toward the united Europe.

Also note: all changes in the treaties were made by means of unanimous voting. So, _every_single_step_ from the ECSC toward the today EU was officially approved by Britain.

You, Britons, made the EU. You made all these steps toward the United States of Europe.
It's your "fault".

And now you want to leave your work unfinished.
Cowards.

Chris F's picture

Sorry but you are not being entirely fair.

I note your point about the Treaty of Rome and we were made aware of the CAP and fisheries polices etc and some question the sovereignty issue re ever closer union [although many thought them not in UK interest at the time] There was a big discussion at the time of the referendum about the potential sovereignty but Heath and other politicians in favour of staying in said there would be "no loss of sovereignty". { and at the time I m not sure associate membership was an option]. Many believed this lie about sovereignty at the time as were told anyway we were able to VETO any significant changes to the laws and constitution which could affect us. However parliament and governments have progressively given away various vetoes WITHOUT the public being able to vote on the treaty changes - which actually included very significant changes and loss of VETO to QMV etc. { e.g. Maastricht, Nice and Lisbon ]. For example even Thatcher and Major thought they negotiated opt outs on some legislation only to find they hadn't [ e.g. Social Chapter] so clearly even THEY did not realise the scope of what they were signing.
So the facts are that :
a] the public were lied to in 1974 when we joined the EEC and
b} our relationship has been significantly changed with the EEC [ now EU] on several occasions without the public being able to vote on the matter
c] the latest EZ moves towards a political union would further alter our relationship to an unacceptable degree.
Refrendum now.

Otto's picture

Chris F

Your duly elected politicians made these decisions, on behalf of Britons.

So, either the British political system is totally broken, or Britons voted for the wrong people at every single election in the last 30 years.

Нowever that may be, you can't fix it by leaving the EU.

Tom Tidswell's picture

Unfortunately for this Country, the Politicians lied to the People to obtain their authority to proceed. Under most bodies of Civil Law, such an Authority, obtained by fraud, is invalid ab initio. It is never too late, through Parliament or "other" methods to withdraw from the ramshackle team of Fraudsters that has embarked upon what it refers to as The European Experiment.
So Otto, if the UK was the cause of The EU, and we had a good record of turning backward little dung heaps around the World into booming, self-sufficient Colonies and Dominions, then we made a right bloody mess of Europe and you're welcome to keep the wreckage

Chris F's picture

Otto.
That's as may be but we've certainly learned you can't fix it by being member either. Virtually every attempt has failed . The EU is pretty much incapable of reforming itself either.

You are welcome to stay in what is daily looking more and more like a moribund autocratic superstate wedded together by an outmoded fear of wars between EU sates which are inconceivable today. The EU it seems is only interested in fixing things by regulation/intervention and promoting more welfare as the solution to pretty much every internal problem. Externally it finds it difficult to agree a common policy or military action on pretty much everything of importance. With certain exceptions the EU as a whole couldn't give a fig for being competitive with the rest of the world since that might involve giving up the precious Euro which is dividing Europe fusing unemployment in the south and disunity . In 20 or 30 years time, if nothing changes, most of the EU will be an economic backwater since it seems trapped in a near permamanet slump and in gold standard mentality resulting a deflationary trap and low growth. If thats what you want thats great but plenty don't agree with you either here or indeed these days in some parts of the EU .

cecil's picture

Why are people so anti-white??

AFRICA FOR THE AFRICANS, ASIA FOR THE ASIANS, WHITE COUNTRIES FOR EVERYBODY??

Racism is only racism when it is the people of the country trying to defend their ethnic interests, not when their anti-white ‘leaders’ defend theirs.

At what point would anti-whites allow whites such as this the right to protect their ethnic interests, to not be displaced in their country and have their society destroyed-- all just so they can look good for the camera. Moral grandstanding and PC prudery aside, one would not dare argue for the converse--that would be called Genocide.

Anti-whites expect an entire race to disappear from the face of the earth without even mentioning, not even whispering about it.

Nobody's flooding Africa with Non-Africans and giving them free health care, affirmative action and special privileges.

Only White Countries are doing it, only White children are affected, and only White politicians are allowing it.

Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.

Barry Davies's picture

Cecil you appear to have a racist view of ethnicity, there are British people born in Britiain of all hues, or would you deny a British person of African origin health care because of the colour of their skin? What should be happening is that health tourists should not be given free health care and should ensure that they have insurance before entering the country, also no one should be able to get tea;th or welfare benefits without having first worked, unless they were born here or have been accepted as asylum status.

Gary Gemmell's picture

Cecil is entirely correct the only people who bleat about being racist are the whites who are selling us down the river and bending over backwards to allow the most dangerous of religions to cement itself in the UK even though it is entirely incompatible with just about every other religion and the worst part - its not even racism as religion is bigotry - at least the anti-racists could get that right but they dont.

Well said Cecil if there were only more people like you who speak out and dont say it behind closed doors then maybe the Uk would not be slipping beneath the waves of pseudo-cosmopolitan bs.

Hard-working stand-up guy's picture

Looks like Cecil has said what a lot of people are actually thinking. Is it a racist act to do so? In my experience, those who are quick to label others with a contrary opinion as "racist" are in fact worse. Such epitaphs are counter productive. What is needed is an informed mature debate, but I don't suppose we will get that from some on this forum.

Gary Gemmell's picture

Oh contraire Stand up guy.
Well said but not much you can do except talk.
No one is willing to confron the issues much less politicians!

Time is coming for a global reset!
Apparently it could have happened thousands of times in the 4 billion years this panet has been here!

Hard-working stand-up guy's picture

@Gary

It seems that honest debate is lost on certain contributors here. By way of example, I am still waiting for 'an european' to give me a cogent argument as to why the UK should stay in the EU. Given the length of time he/she has had to prepare their list of bullet points, I can only conclude that they don't actually have anything compelling to offer.

@an european

My challenge still stands, together with my promise to be open-minded.

Gary Gemmell's picture

Indeed but there getting fewer and fewer non-brainwashed intelligent folks left these days.

Yes I would have thought by the exanokes of Greece Spain Portugal and even our brothers the gaels in Ireland the vasty majority should see the Euro is madness. Just like religion it could never work together! Nice altruistic dream but we have to live in reality not Euro-Disney fantasy land!
lol
You have to laugh otherwsie you would cry eh!

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