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Britain and Europe going through gradual disengagement

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Published 03 September 2012

British Prime Minister David Cameron recently affirmed that he would fight to keep his country in the EU in any future referendum, but his policies towards the ‘community acquis’ shows otherwise, writes Sir Julian Priestley.

Sir Julian Priestley was secretary-general of the European Parliament from 1997 to 2007. He now chairs the board of EPPA, a Brussels-based public affairs company, and sits on the boards of Notre Europe, the Paris-based think-tank, founded by Jacques Delors, and of eu.votewatch, a transparency campaign. His latest book, Europe’s Parliament; People, Places, Politics (co-authored with Stephen Clark) is published this month by John Harper.

"The national revels for the Jubilee and the Olympics may have occluded nearly all political news but before the summer break there were just a couple of straws in the wind which highlight Britain’s gradual disengagement from the EU.

In mid-July, with little fanfare, the Foreign Office announced a formal consultation on ‘the review of the balance of competences between the UK and the European Union’. The detail of the review and William Hague’s accompanying announcement were low-key. The language was serious, not polemical; the timetable leisurely. The government will only draw conclusions in 2014; and it would be only then at the very earliest that the government might seek a formal repatriation of some EU competences through Treaty change, with or without a referendum.

This exercise comes hard on the heels of the first annual survey of votes in Council conducted by Votewatch.eu and which revealed that in 2011 the UK found itself more often on the ‘losing’ side than any other member state. For years it had been the settled aim of British European policy to see the UK at the heart of Europe, to work hard to shape policies and to assume a place at the centre of decision-making. Now statistically for Council formal votes under qualified majority, the UK has found itself in the minority on around one-third of all procedures which went to a vote. As a point of comparison, France was not once among the ‘losers’. Either Britain’s representatives in Council have become less convincing and effective in pursuing their aims, or the objective has changed; and the UK government has now become comfortable with mediocre isolation.

Taking these two developments together it becomes clear that the European Union Act of 2011 and the refusal to participate in the Fiscal Stability Treaty agreed in March 2012 did not mark the end of the coalition government’s so-far fairly measured policy of disengagement from Europe. The discussion on repatriating competences will proceed, planned as an exercise in slow-motion but one that the government may well be obliged to accelerate if an intergovernmental conference on more radical Treaty change is convened shortly, as the German chancellor wishes. Were the IGC to go beyond technical bolstering of some aspects of EMU governance towards some more full-blooded fiscal union then it would be difficult for the government to explain to its own supporters that it was holding back from proposing any repatriation of competences because the FO had yet to complete a consultation exercise. UKIP, now posing a threat to the Conservatives in national as well as European elections, would seize on such a tepid and bureaucratic response with the greatest gusto.

But the behavioural change in Council, as reported by Votewatch.eu is having its effect on relations with its European partners. The annoyance of the French and the Germans with the British ‘veto’ of the Fiscal Pact was predictable. Nor was it diminished by its failure to block progress. What is now clear, as others such as the Centre for European Reform have concluded, is that Britain is increasingly losing the support of its natural soulmates in East and Central Europe, nearly all of whom remain outside the euro and  who have  generally shared a more eurosceptic approach than the federalist core. The UK attitude is now widely perceived as obstructive, insensitive to the needs of others and unwilling to contribute to finding generally accepted solutions to the euro’s problems which are in the interests of all, both those in the euro or outside.

And this in turn will make any significant Treaty change repatriating powers to the UK the tallest of orders. To put it bluntly, which other member states would now go out on a limb to support Treaty change to enable the UK to opt out of a range of EU policies (like health and safety legislation, consumer rights, environmental standards which the UK’s partners consider to be an integral part of the internal market)? What, just a few years ago, might have been an argument which Britain could have been won at Council now looks a lost cause because most of the 26 appear to have lost patience with Britain. And any recourse to ‘hardball’ - refusing to accept future Treaty change - would look to many like a rerun of a bluff already called at the end of last year when the majority carried on negotiating a budgetary pact but outside the framework of the EU treaties.

No other member state would wish to complicate steps towards a fiscal union and the strengthening of euro governance with a detailed examination of where under existing EU competences further opt-outs for one member state might be tolerable. Embarking on this process risks irritating further the UK’s partners and ratcheting up the relative isolation of the UK government.

The UK Prime Minister has recently affirmed that he would fight to keep the UK in the EU in any future referendum. But his policy of unpicking the ‘community acquis’, of furrowing an ever more solitary course in Council, and the perceived obstructionism of the UK over more radical reforms of the Union now runs the serious risk that the will of his partners to help him and his government to find even a figleaf to justify his staying in the Union may start to evanesce. If the other member states cease to care very much if the UK remains in the Union, then the Prime Minister will find it even harder to persuade his compatriots, let alone his backbenchers, to support the UK staying in."

COMMENTS

  • "the Prime Minister will find it even harder to persuade his compatriots, let alone his backbenchers, to support the UK staying in".

    Good! The British people want out. The EU has meant nothing but rising prices and hard working people being taxed to support other countries and Eurocrats. £53 million a day and we get nothing for the ordinary family except debt, more taxes and excessive laws and regulations.

    We have had enough and if Cameron doesn't get us out, we will vote somebody in, who will!

    By :
    Sue
    - Posted on :
    03/09/2012
  • I agree with Sue. Articles such as these seem to suggestthat it is A Good Thing to be in the EU and I have yet to receive an answer from a Euro-enthusiast as to why it is. I do not believe that Britain would be isolated if it radically re-negotiated its relationship with the EU or even if it lefty. I don't doubt that it would have to comply with certain aspects of trading in the EU just as, for example, it has to comply with standards in the USA for exporting cars which may be different to ours. We will not be shackled by some of the crazy ideas emanating from the EU (CAP - 40% of the budget goes to 5% of the population and seriously distorts food prices). Neither do we get any improved competence in politcal leadership/vision. If an integrated EU was so good, how come the electorates in the other 26 countries aren't screaming out to their leaders to pursue total political and financial integration? This EU model might have been fine 50 years ago but times and the world have moved on and this concept is stuck in a statist, central planning mentality. Every time I hear euro enthusiasts scaremongering, it reminds me of dissidents who wanted to leave the USSR and were imprisoned in psychiatric clinics on the basis that they must be mad to want to leave this socialist paradise!

    By :
    Don Latuske
    - Posted on :
    03/09/2012
  • It does not bother me at all as a European Citizen to see Britain out. The British never seem to be supportive of Europe, very often turning their backs to it and facing forward to the other side of the Atlantic. If they want to get out it would be a favour. Maybe Europe can move forward as a whole without the British pulling it back by whatever parts they can get hold-of

    By :
    Joe
    - Posted on :
    03/09/2012
  • But Joe, I don't see how the British have been or will be holding the EU back. The EU will continue to do what it wants as it does now, breaking its own treaties by bailing out other countries and taking omn their debt, which I had understood to contravene the last treaty. For the EU, the end justifies the means. If 26 nations want to go down the route of collectivisation and dump democracy along the way, Britain won't be able or want to stop them. I will be intrigued, however, to see how many of the 26 electorates, if they are asked, will vote for ultimate political/economic integration. That may very well be the sticking point but again, I am not sanguine that some 450 million people will be asked to do this and, if so, whether they will be given a model for which they can vote to accept or reject. It will be couched in scaremongering terms such as vote against and remain isolated, vulnerable and weak or vore for and be strong or some such other bollocks!

    By :
    Don Latuske
    - Posted on :
    03/09/2012
  • A wonderfully divisive piece of writing worthy of Grima Wormtongue in the Lord of the Rings - a fantasy trilogy that in the context of the European federal project is humble by comparison.

    By :
    David Stephenson
    - Posted on :
    05/09/2012
  • Please can we clarify some points, you say “For years it had been the settled aim of British European policy to see the UK at the heart of Europe”, when you use this allusion to John Major could you complete the quote, “At the very heart of Europe. Working with our partners in building the future.” He was talking about an intergovernmental Europe, not a supra national federated state, to pretend otherwise is just dishonest. This is ultimately the source of the British angst, we want to work with other countries, and we do not want to be subsumed into a new country.

    You talk about the balance of voting in Council now going against the UK about a third of the time. Well the only time it seems to me we were on the “winning side”, was when we just agreed to do what the EU wanted regardless of our own national interests. (I give you the CFP & CAP as examples) Given the way the EEC/EC/EU has always been structured to benefit France I find it mildly reassuring that we are now increasingly on the opposite side of the argument.

    I would agree entirely with your analysis that a British government would find it extremely difficult to explain why it is not actively demanding back competencies in the event of an IGC proposing further integration. Given the fact that further integration is probably the only way the Euro can be saved I would suggest that you are in fact accurately predicting that a UK government will shortly be presenting the EU with a list of powers to be repatriated. (Let’s start by activating the JHA opt outs)

    You are much closer to the political elite in Brussels than I, and I am sure they are very annoyed with the British ‘veto’ and our lack of support for ‘more Europe’. But I would submit that the respondents to this item to date and the overwhelming majority of British voters really don’t care about the finer feelings of those leaders. We have made it abundantly clear to Cameron et al that the EU has extremely little support here. If the EU wishes to move ahead (with or without the support of their own people) in creating a US of E that is absolutely their prerogative, but Cameron, Clegg and Miliband are very aware that they will not be able to sell it here. The European Union Act 2011 has essentially frozen the UK position in the EU, indeed this may well be the high water mark for us.

    I am sure are correct that we will have little or possibly no support in our efforts to repatriate powers and then we will become (that dreaded word) ‘isolated’. If you are a ‘Little European’ that is a frightening prospect, but there are only 27 countries in the EU while there are over 200 countries in the World.

    Please try to understand, there is a wide World outside the EU. The British public have been lied to repeatedly by our own leaders over the aim of ‘The Project’ and it is highly unlikely there would have been any willingness to join the EEC if the goal had been clearly described beforehand. Essentially the lies have now caught up and Cameron (or indeed any other PM) has no room for manoeuvre in terms of working more closely with the EU.

    For those citizens of the EU who want to move forward towards a single state I genuinely apologise for our obstruction. But your leaders have for years connived in ignoring the clear wishes of the ordinary people on these islands. I would suggest that you urge, no demand, your politician’s progress plans for the Federal State and that the UK be presented with an ultimatum requiring us to join the Euro immediately and become a region in the US of E or leave.

    Let us never forget, the EU is a political project, the economics discussed is just an ancillary mechanism designed to deliver the political aims. The problem is you have to win the political argument and it is clear from posting across the internet, let alone in the media and ultimately in the polling booths that in the UK that argument was lost years ago.

    By :
    Iwantout
    - Posted on :
    06/09/2012
  • Well, then it’s settled then; the Europeans doesn’t want the UK in the EU & the UK public don’t want to be in the EU.

    By :
    Pat
    - Posted on :
    09/09/2012
  • Of course, Britain is bankrupt because Brussels Politburo has again taken all the money, while the UK could instead be far better off trading independantly worldwide, just like a USA number 2 by itself, and ultimatly abolish the state, persecute the poor, restore aristocratic oligarchie and obviously prospere in sovereign deregulated chaos...

    British understanding is stunningly far bellow any modern european standard, in terms of logical approach as well as convincing analysis. They've probably been missing a couple of trains since the Enlightment and given up now expressing any form of substancial reasoning, prefering to repeat on and on the same biaised non-sense, without ever bothering to confront their believes with factual argumentation or cold contradiction.

    This shameless lack of rigour and critical thinking is very obvious to any continental understanding and sounds as childish as a 5 year old kid, screaming his head off all day and dancing with rage because Santa Klaus didn't bring him the flying carpet he ordered for christmas.

    As you'd send such an unbearable child to a strict boarding school for a couple of years, the EU should get rid of Britain, at least for a while, in order for them to get todays world right and realise the limited choice it has to offer, however much they'd fancy Europe never to have united or them having floatted away, somewhere in the middle of the Pacific Ocean.

    Despite all the differences between Portugal, Finland, Belgium or Bulgaria, continental brains seem for sure to work a lot more connected with each other, as far as realistic perspectives are concerned, than with the erratic british minds and their clueless strategy: first out, then in, then in but with opt-outs, then maybe out but with opt-ins... reminds me of "to be or not to be", "yeah, but no, but yeah, but anyway, we invented the cat", "look at me face, I'm I bovered?"

    Need to cut off the rotten edges sometimes

    By :
    matthias
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2012
  • Hi Matthias,

    You are of course right, Britain is bankrupt. But then so is the rest of the EU, largely because for far too long we have all tried to pay ourselves more than we were earning. In most cases this was financed by borrowing from those parts of the World which did not have the restrictive policies of the EU. In fairness some countries have avoided this trap, but they have done so by having a currency set at a level which was hugely advantageous to them but highly damaging to their partners, Germany comes to mind.

    Whether we like it or not (and frankly none of us do) we will ALL have to reduce the size of the state and do without some of the welfare provisions we have come to see as our rights. To pretend otherwise is just unrealistic and ultimately likely to result in disaster. Remember the Troika itself is already making such demands of those countries that have sought financial help.

    You believe absolutely that the correct course of action is towards a US of E. I recognise that is a valid wish, but I do not believe that it is necessarily appropriate for every country, certainly not in my personal opinion the UK. You can call it a stunning lack of understanding if you wish and liken it to a screaming child; personally I see it as viewing the World in a non EU centric way and accepting that there are alternatives that offer greater opportunities, especially given the fact that the EU has been declining in economic importance for at least the last 20 years.

    But the EU is a political entity with economics as a side feature, read Monnet etc. Given that if as you and Pat have suggested the EU wants to get rid of the UK and we want to leave, why then do the political elites constantly block our respective wishes?

    Your mention of the Pacific is interesting, given that a 2012 Populus poll (published 30/04/12)
    commissioned by Policy Network, (a left of centre think-tank,) found that culturally, politically and economically, the British feel that they have more in common with the Americans (49 per cent) and Australians (28 per cent) than the French (11 per cent) or Germans (10 per cent). Given nearly 40 years of membership of the EU that must be infuriating for all those people in Brussels.

    With regards to the ‘continental brains’ and your claim that they are connected in a common view, please may I remind you that for all the talk of opt outs, clashes over policy etc., it is a fact that of all the EU countries the UK has amongst the best records in terms of implementing agreed EU laws and regulations. Many of the good European countries are perfectly happy to sign policies and then ignore them (e.g. France 36 European Court of Justice Court cases between 2007 and 2011, Belgium 9 cases in 2011 alone.)

    As a final point, may I provide you with the thoughts of the French intellectual and philosopher Andre Glucksmann as reported in Der Spiegel (23/08/12) “Europe was never a national entity……………... A European federal state or European confederation is a distant goal that is frozen in the abstraction of the term. I think pursuing it is the wrong goal.” Seems some of the highest level Europeans are not persuaded either.

    By :
    Iwantout
    - Posted on :
    10/09/2012
  • With regards to the continental brain working in a single way, the follwoing item on this site seems to take a different view.

    http://www.euractiv.com/euro-finance/expect-political-union-anytime-s-analysis-514649

    By :
    Iwantout
    - Posted on :
    11/09/2012
  • Iwantout,

    I don't bother evaluating how "correct" the "course of action towards the US of E" is or if I'd better prefer another historic/geographical situation for european countries. I just can't deny integration takes place on this continent as never before for quiete some time now. Since the Berlin wall fell it even became closer and much more independant as well as prosperous and successfully expending further east, becoming an attractive model for many other countries, even on other continents.

    Now for Britain whithin this "course of action" to stay "in but with opt-outs" or go "out but with opt-ins", let's admit it won't change anything in the matter, for Britain as for the rest of Europe, whether you find it "correct" or not and whatever the nickname you find for it. History and world maps aren't supermarkets were you pick up what suits best your tastes, you live with it. Ignoring the facts doesn't help you facing less of their consequences, especially in economics. But if you think because a poll showed the british "feel" closer to americans and australians, that means their economy and territory lie in the middle of the pacific, it's your buisness. The reasonning just does sound quiete odd to any average continental brain.

    However I don't think the Eu is going to develop (short term) either Federal or confederal because it's multi-national unlike con/federations as the US, germany, Switzerland or any comparable example in history. Though as it happens to work for more than 60 years, it seems to get stronger and stronger and I wonder what you could find to reverse that course, "correct" or not.

    In fact through uniting successfully Europe with the help of America, Monnet, you quote, has put a end to the long divisive strategy of Britain on the continent, carried out from Waterloo to the Blitzkrieg to avoid a long term united continent. London always knew such a dominant entity would be anyway overwealming for Britain, however much the UK would manage to opt-out. But americans imposed it against the USSR and the integration Churchill and Talleyrand prevented Napoleon or Hitler from achieving has since the 50's develloped and succeeded. Britain should long have swallowed it and moved further, instead of staying first out then joining in, then negociating opt-outs, now getting out keeping opt-ins... When are you guys going to find yourself a place in the situation, and live fine with it? Next centuary?

    By :
    matthias
    - Posted on :
    11/09/2012
  • Whatever let's go for a referendum now and if the British people decide to clear out of the EU, let it be. The UK had never since joining the EU decided where it wants to be. It has always wanted to pick what is good for itself rationalised as in its national interest, albeit all national interest are selfish interests, and does not want what she does not like. Either you are in or out. The European project from the very beginning was not just about trade and investment and if the UK cannot take this and thinks it is still a world power then let her leave the EU. EU can go on without her and deprive her of the European market. It has an island mentality and let her be.

    By :
    Paul
    - Posted on :
    12/09/2012
  • Matthias,

    I was simply pointing out that once again a survey shows that the majority of UK citizens feel little affinity with the EU and seem to be more at home with a non European economic model, which is all the reference to the Pacific meant.

    Of course economics is important and you may be interested to learn that trade figures released today showed that whilst the monetary value of UK exports to the EU rose in absolute value terms, as a percentage of our overall exports it had dropped yet again to only 43%, the lowest level since records were started (1988). When we joined the EEC we fundamentally changed our trading patterns away from the rest of the World to the EEC, clearly it can happen again. But we all know (as Paul says) the EU is about a great deal more than trade and investment.

    The bottom line is if you have a popular mandate to progress ultimately to a federal state or confederation that is a matter entirely for you, and I for one would not wish to stop you moving in any direction you wish. However, I do not believe that this would be right for the UK and I very much do believe that there are viable alternatives to the EU.

    I would agree absolutely with the first sentence of Paul’s posting (12/09/12), but I would ask him to accept that it was sold to the UK public precisely as a simple trading body by our own politicians.

    If you re read the article that started this discussion I don’t think you will find anything in it that fundamentally disagrees with what I have put forward, indeed in my first posting I stated I agreed with the analysis. The difference is one of acceptance, Sir Julian Priestley clearly does not want the disengagement to occur but he recognises the underlying mood of UK MPs, the UK public and the resulting anger / frustration of other EU Countries. I, and I believe a majority of the UK population, do want the “gradual disengagement” and it is a function of the failure of UK politicians to listen to the public voice that is causing so much difficulty for political leaders of ALL UK parties, I can only apologize again that it is obstructing your ambitions.

    By the way when you say “has put a end to the long divisive strategy of Britain on the continent, carried out from Waterloo to the Blitzkrieg to avoid a long term united continent” and “the integration Churchill and Talleyrand prevented Napoleon or Hitler from achieving has since the 50's developed and succeeded” you seem to be suggesting that somehow the empires of Napoleon and Hitler were good things, I am sure this is a mistake.

    By :
    Iwantout
    - Posted on :
    12/09/2012
  • I wonder which empire ever was a good thing. Anyway London didn't bother either whether napoleon or Hitler were good things, they just did their best for their counry's independance (both in less than 10 years). What I'm talking about is that they failed on the contrary at stoping the continental integration after the war, nearly a centuary ago, "good" / "correct" or not once again. That doesn't play any role. And a british status in-but-with-opt-outs or out-but-with-opt-ins isn't going to change this much, no mistake so far.

    By :
    matthias
    - Posted on :
    13/09/2012

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