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Britain flirting with the edge of three-tier Europe: Stubb

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Published 05 February 2013

The European Union is becoming a three-tiered club and Britain risks being left on the outer margins of it, Finland's Europe minister, who was among the first to warn about Britain drifting away from Europe, will say in a speech on Tuesday (5 February).

Alex Stubb, who last October compared Britain to a boat pulling away from the rest of the continent, praised Prime Minister David Cameron for being bold in his Europe speech last month, but said he had chosen a risky strategy that makes a referendum on EU membership almost unavoidable.

In his speech, Cameron promised voters he would hold a referendum on Britain's 40-year membership of the European Union by 2017, after he has renegotiated Britain's ties to the bloc and as long as he is reelected in 2015.

"I know better than to start giving advice on party politics in other member states," Stubb, who studied at the London School of Economics and is married to a British lawyer, will say in a speech to the College of Europe in Warsaw.

"The paradox with Britain is that it has the right instincts with many essential European policies, but its very nature seems to draw it to the margins of Europe.

"A referendum on Europe has its risk, but on the whole it seems unavoidable and can actually clear the air on where Britain stands ... I only hope that the end result is a Britain that is at peace with its membership."

Three-ring structure

The last three years of economic turmoil in the eurozone have pushed the single currency to the brink and forced all 27 EU member states, plus Croatia which will join in July, to reassess what sort of relationship they want with the bloc.

While existential questions are no longer being asked about the euro - which has strengthened sharply against the dollar, the British pound and the yen in recent weeks - there are serious doubts hanging over the shape of the European Union.

Stubb describes a three-ring structure, with the 17 members of the eurozone in the centre, a second concentric circle consisting of member states planning to join the single currency, and an outer ring of those countries that have no intention of ever adopting the euro.

In the coming years, he says in the speech, the three groups will become two: the euro-ins and the euro-outs. With at least three countries set to join the euro - Latvia, Lithuania and Poland - the euro-ins should increase to 20.

Among the eight euro-outs, most will be legally obliged to join the euro in time. But Britain, which with Denmark has a legal opt-out on adopting the currency, will be on the outer margin.

"So what we will have on our hands is not a Europe divided into north and south, but a union divided into euro-ins and euro-outs," Stubb says in the speech.

"This is an undeniable division. But at the same time we must be very careful in managing the relationship between the ins and the outs.

"The Cameron speech has its elements of upstairs and downstairs, but I fear that by opting out, Britain will end up downstairs, not upstairs."

EurActiv.com with Reuters

COMMENTS

  • Always best to be on the outer margins of a car crash

    By :
    Charles_M
    - Posted on :
    05/02/2013
  • Since Britain didn't join last year (as when the last "referendum on leaving" was held 40 years ago and everybody remembered Britain's economy had just suffered 10 years of lower growth outside the single market compared to continental economies within it), what kind of alternative strategy will the british today be proposed in order to convice a majority of them that leaving is better for their country's business and foreign policy interests?

    US's docile poodle? Recolonisation of the british empire? Cuban-style (splendid) isolationism? Or simply shipping across oceans alone with yet-to-find, protectionist partners (as North America, China, Bresil or Russia) rather than the richest economy in the world, most free-market and at their doorstep?

    Or more probably a non-member status similar to Norway Island or Switzerland, all in Schengen's agreements, implementing Brussels' regulation and contributing to its budget as Britain today, just without a say?

    By :
    uk-skeptic
    - Posted on :
    05/02/2013
  • His wife might be British, but he still doesn’t understand British Europhobes. Having a referendum won’t bring peace. If the vote is ‘Yes’, they’ll claim undue influence or a rigged ballot. And every time there’s any change in the EU, they’ll claim they should have another referendum.

    By :
    Edward Blois
    - Posted on :
    05/02/2013
  • UK-sceptic,

    There are other alternatives to the Norway / Switzerland model. One could for example look at the arrangements agreed with South Korea on the 1st July 2011, essentially trade and nothing else, just a thought.

    Edward Blois

    Under current legislation whenever there is a proposal to transfer power to Brussels the UK population must be offered a referendum. So as you say if a vote in 2017 gives a Yes to UK membership of the EU under renegotiated terms and the EU later wants to change, then yes another UK referendum will be necessary. That is the situation and short of removing this democratic safeguard it will remain.

    By :
    I want out
    - Posted on :
    05/02/2013
  • @ Charles_M

    Best one liner today!!lol.

    George Mc

    By :
    George Mc
    - Posted on :
    05/02/2013
  • I want out, like Bitain South Korea trades 55% of its imports / exports with its direct neighbours China and Japan. Even if they wanted this to change they couldn't.

    So with Britain trading 50% with the EU and aspireing to a same status as South Korea (10% trade with the EU), it may be a shame for continental markets to have reduced relations with the Uk, but a serious headache for the british: how exactly are they going to "replace" the single market, given that they once begged to join it? I shouldn't think Seoul was ever complacent enough to compare its relations with China and Japan to the ones it has somewhere in the North Atlantic...

    If Britain becomes a kind of South Korea for Europe, what's going to be the UK's China or Japan because everybody trades mostly within its continent today? I'm not sure you realise the amount of money involved in such speculations. It's like saying to the british people "oh vote out we'll take 50% of everything you buy or sell and reduce it to 10% and we'll find the rest with someone else (the EU is the closest and the richest partner the Uk can have).

    By :
    uk-skeptic
    - Posted on :
    07/02/2013
  • UK-sceptic

    With regards to Korea I was merely pointing out that the EU has entered into free trade agreement with another country without imposing all the social legislation etc., a precedent has been set. To quote from the EU press release by Karel DeGucht Commissioner for Trade on the Korean deal, “The majority of customs duties on goods were removed when the Agreement entered into force. Practically all customs duties on industrial goods will be fully removed within the first five years of application of the FTA1. For both industrial and agricultural products, Korea and the EU will eliminate 98.7 % of duties in trade value within five years of the entry into force of the FTA.” Seems a starting point for discussions to me, especially as it would seem to affectively rule us out of the CAP etc.

    With regards to the single market, we have discussed this length before, most studies (which I have quoted for you before but here some again NIESR 2011, Wolfgang Monchau FT 26/11/12, BIS report 2011, Prof Iain Begg LSE 2011 etc etc) suggest the single market is worth approximately 0.2 – 0.3% of UK GDP (this figure does not take into account costs membership) due to it’s highly incomplete nature and the strong resistance from France, Germany and others to complete it for services etc. If you look at your history you will see the UK did not beg to join the single market, they are considered one of the principle architects.

    Still what you and I think is largely irrelevant, it seems highly possible that a renegotiation will take place and that will then be put to the UK electorate. I am unaware of any other country that intends asking it’s electorate whether they want further integration but perhaps you could put me right on that.

    By :
    I want out
    - Posted on :
    07/02/2013
  • "I was merely pointing out that the EU has entered into free trade agreement with another country without imposing all the social legislation "

    The EU never had a social policy. As for defense, every attempts to create one, have failed. On the contrary, Europe is more often calling for the dismenteling of state intervention, Brussels generaly regarding it as a distortion of fair competition. At best the EU only took up the regulation already present in broader organisations (international labour organisation, Council of Europe...) and created minimum rules adjusted on the lowest-bidder member-state. Centralised european policies are only for foreign trade, argiculture, regional development and free market protection. All the rest (mainly police and justice cooperation) is negociated on the inter-governmental level, as any international agreement, with each member-state's approval required for most important sectors (social policies included).

    "If you look at your history you will see the UK did not beg to join the single market, they are considered one of the principle architects."

    What happened to EFTA? After the war, the UK could have taken the leadership in Europe, distributing Marshall's plan credits and structuring (west) european construction from London, neutralising the the possibility for Paris and Berlin to form an axe later together. It would have required for Britain a bit more anticipation of the post-colonial and globalised world, as well as a change in british historical european strategy of dividing the continent (a bit like the US, after the war turned their back to isolationist traditions and seize successfuly their opportunity in the world).

    Instead Britain has pretended to be a kind of "South Korea" for Europe, steping back passivly from european reconstruction and political restructuration. Paris, though less glorious after the war, gathered instead the american condifance and credits (through the OECD in the late 40's) and distributing the money around europe (London pretended not to need so much), as well as taking the leadership to shape the continent's post war configuration, based from 1950 onwards on common steal and coal agreements between germany and france, joined by benelux and Italy 7 years later (treaty of Rome). It took 25 years for the UK to join, and the EU's architecture was therefore designed without Britain, too buisy with it's empire (collapsing) and proposing only EFTA as a european policy (failed).

    By :
    uk-skeptic
    - Posted on :
    08/02/2013
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Finland's Foreign Minister Alexander Stubb (Photo: Finnish Institute of International Affairs)
Background: 

UK Prime Minister David Cameron promised on 23 January to offer Britons a simple ‘in-out’ referendum choice on whether to stay in the European Union if he wins the next election, scheduled for 2015.

>> Read: Cameron takes gamble with in/out EU referendum pledge

In his speech, given in London, Cameron said the Conservative party would campaign in the 2015 election with a pledge to renegotiate Britain's EU membership and then put the resulting deal to a referendum, possibly in 2017.

“It will be an in-out referendum," Cameron explained, saying that he would seek repatriation of several EU laws, and enshrine those in a new treaty to be negotiated with Britain's EU partners.

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