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Published 08 April 2013, updated 09 April 2013

British Prime Minister David Cameron will meet the leaders of Germany, France and Spain this week in an attempt to win backing for his vision of a reformed European Union.

Cameron infuriated European allies in January when he said he would try to renegotiate terms of Britain's EU membership and ask voters in a referendum if they wanted to stay in the bloc.

France and Germany accused him of treating the EU like an "à la carte menu" from which he could pick powers. The opposition Labour Party said Britain risked sleepwalking towards EU exit.

Facing hostility to his policy across the continent, Cameron faces an uphill battle when he meets Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy in Madrid on Monday. He flies to Paris later that day to meet French President François Hollande before going to Germany on Friday for talks with Chancellor Angela Merkel.

Cameron will argue the eurozone crisis means it is inevitable that the EU will undergo big changes and reform its treaties, allowing Britain to forge a new role.

Arguments about cherry-picking

"This is not about cherry-picking, but to argue as some do that you can't have a flexible Europe is wrong," he said in a statement. "We can have a flexible Europe where we don't all have to do the same things in the same way at the same time."

Cameron will press the case for an EU in which countries have different roles. He will point to the fact that not all members, including Britain, signed up to the euro currency. London also stayed out of the border-free Schengen zone.

Cameron must come from behind in the polls, win re-election in 2015 and persuade EU leaders to allow him to reclaim powers from Brussels before British voters would have their say in a referendum on Europe.

The scale of his task was made clear in January when European politicians denounced his keynote speech on Europe as unrealistic and divisive.

Seeking to take the initiative, Cameron will frame his case for reform as part of a wider appeal for the EU to become leaner and more competitive.

He will seek to win support in Europe with a call to reduce the bloc's spending and red tape.

"This organisation is ripe for reform," he said. "We need a Europe that is more open, that is more competitive, that is more flexible."

Cameron's dilemma

Cameron faces a dilemma over Europe. He believes Britain is stronger inside the bloc. However vocal anti-EU parliamentarians in his Conservative Party, who see Brussels as a threat to British sovereignty, want him to take a tougher line with the EU or leave altogether.

Pressure on Cameron over Europe has grown because the UK Independence Party, which wants Britain to exit the EU, has poached voters from his Conservatives. Disagreement over Europe plagued the last two Conservative governments under former prime ministers Margaret Thatcher and John Major.

Cameron also faces the obvious difficulty of arriving in European capitals with preoccupations elsewhere. In Spain, there has been little indication of disaffection with the European Union. Local pressures including the financial crisis and constitutional questions posed by the Catalan independence movement and scandals involving the royal family are to the fore.

Next steps: 
  • 27-28 June 2013: EU summit to adopt roadmap for new treaty to deepen economic and political integration in the eurozone.
  • Sept. 2013: German elections
  • May 2014: European elections
  • May 2015: UK election
EurActiv.com with Reuters

COMMENTS

  • Cameron infuriated European buraucracy when he told about necessary reforms on the highest level of EU bureaucracy.

    By :
    Money splashing policy and sclerotic bureaucracy
    - Posted on :
    08/04/2013
  • An Cameron Union à la carte merely for more disorders !
    We don't need à la carte !
    Either it is an Union or we don't need it and go back to nation State and makes our own.

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    08/04/2013
  • Britain, please go away. We don't need a partner who only put a spoke in our wheels.

    Don't like the Union? Make your own Union (with independent Scotland, for a start)

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    08/04/2013
  • Otto, do you mean YOUR countries wheel. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than waving you good-bye as you descend into the totalitarian state of Europe. At least we in the UK will keep some form of democracy.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    08/04/2013
  • @ Otto - Posted on : 08/04/2013

    Mr Royle is know as an Eurosceptic and so focused to write only but only bad comments about the European Union!

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    08/04/2013
  • And Mr Otto is known as a europhile and only post good stories about the EU...... Otto, sensible question. Do you think it's good that Country in the EU should blindly do as it's told by Brussels with out question ? This is the whole problem with the EU it's not democratic and any country that say's 'Hold on a second I don't agree with that' is subject to you type of abuse?

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    08/04/2013
  • Philip royle,

    first make something about British MONARCHY and the House of Lords. After that speak about a lack of democracy in EU.

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    08/04/2013
  • Why Otto it's MY country not yours. Why should you attack what goes on in my country? Does the house of lords or the British monarchy have any say in your country? No of course not. So why does it worry you. What worries me is the undemocratic EU. That DOES have a say in my country and yours. What country are you from Otto????

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    08/04/2013
  • So,

    1) an unelected lifetime Queen who can make a individual decision to declare a war is OK.

    2) a representative for a couple of years who was ELECTED by countries and who can almost nothing is BAD BAD BAD.

    Can you explain your logic?

    Actually, your unelected lifetime Queen have a say in any EU state - through EU juridical mechanisms (although she need support from other EU leaders for this).

    I'm from European Union.

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    08/04/2013
  • @ Philip Royle !

    "What worries me is the undemocratic EU"
    Not exactly ! Why ?
    We democratically elected our 27 member-state Leader !
    What we now need is if you're really want the European Union to be the most democratic Continent as
    North-America an democratically elected EU-President from eu-citizens!
    That is what we need and nothing else !
    If Everyone have their interest then we needn't to have an Union ! Bank union Fiscal policies are in coming but we need a federal Budget and a fiscal treasury and a depth pooling! why?
    A depth pooling to lower interests rate for the southern member-states and help their economic and the most important to fight against Jobless!
    An Europe à la carte is only in merely British interests as to have a strong Union desperately needed!
    Jobless and economic are important and not our every elected primes cherry's pickup!
    Mr Royle : you know very well too that the bests economists are German and British and knows what the BRICS-Countries are opting one currency to devalue the Euro and to our allies the Dollar even the Pound!
    It's in all Europeans interests included UK to make things right instead of pussyfooting each other to none-sense !

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    08/04/2013
  • Otto my poor deluded chap there is not country called the European Union. But as all true Europhiles you are a coward and hide your self and your country. Attacking what you don't like and crawling back under the EU stone that covers you.

    1. Again Why should it bother you that the UK has a Queen? jealous perhaps and grow up Otto the Queen cannot declare war no more than Frau Merkil can But of course Frau nMerkil has some political power the Queen has non, read it Otto NONE!!. Silly man.

    2 Did you vote for Rumpoy Barroso, Aston, Schuiz or any of the top commissioners? No you didn't and neither did I And you say for a couple of years??? How long has Barroso been there and he could be there for years to come. democratic? not I don't think so.
    Otto you are not worth it I am English and proud to be so you however are nothing and obviously not very proud of your country.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    08/04/2013
  • An European, We have chatted before all I will say is that the EU benefits one country and it's best friend That would be Germany and it's friend France. That all I need to know about the EU. I would rather be poor and stand on my own two feet that crawl under the power of Germany and France.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    08/04/2013
  • @ Philip Royle - Posted on : 08/04/2013

    Maybe a little bit of European history after the WW2 would you do good in beginning with Steel and Coal !

    By :
    an european
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • An Europian . What on earth are you talking about? What country do you come from ? That is you have the respect to tell us or are you just like Otto a coward without a country.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • @ Philip Royle

    Oh, thanks you very much, Philip. I can see the true face of the British Europhobia now.

    I hope independent Scotland will teach you a lesson.

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • @ Philip Royle

    I have a country: the European Union. Your Britain is a state in my country. Not the state with most educated or polite people, as i can see, but still a state of the European Union.

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • Otto again there is no country called the 'European Union' except in you own mind. You however are the true face of a Europhile. Blinded by the EU and to afraid to show your true country.
    And what lessons will Scotland teach us?? If I was to use your logic there is no such country as Scotland or the UK for that matter were all from the Eu. Thankfully the rest of the world does not use your logic
    So I ask you again what is the country of your birth? You attack my country it's only good manners yes?

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • I was born in the European Union. This is my country.

    I suppose you're from England. What is the counTY of your birth? Is it important? Do you have patriotic feelings to your county? Like "I'm proud to be born in Northumberland!!!11"

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • No Otto you were born in a country that happens to be in the EU. Again there is no country called the 'European Union' But there are 27 countries in it. Which one of those countries are you from?
    Do you think that there is anything wrong with being proud of your country. You seem to be ashamed of yours.
    Obviously you are not going to tell me your country. Like a typical Euro brain washed person, You attack everything that doesn't fall into your vision of a Federal State of Europe. But you can't risk opening your self up for discussion.

    P.S. I know what your doing but to be honest I'm having a lazy day so have nothing better to do that feed your one sided and deluded post's.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • You don't understand. You was born in the country called European Union in the subdivision (state) of the country called GB. There is no such independent country as GB anymore. Its a state, like Texas in the USA. And it should be so.

    Believe me or not, i was born in the territory called Scotland.
    And? Is it important?

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • I have grown tired of you now Otto. You are no more Scottish than I am. You are probably German or from one of those Eastern block countries that has to be supported by charity aid money.
    So until you have something intelligent to say I will leave you to your delusions and dreams.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • I didn't say I'm Scottish. I'm an European who was born in Scotland. Feel the difference.

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • To understand Albion you have to understand that "Britain is an extremely well governed country - you know". I was offically informed of that through unofficial channels.

    Also to understand Albion, read the 1946 Banking Act which "nationalised" the Bank of England. In particular, First Schedule, Section 8. Then you will understand that everything there is run solely for the benefit of the holders of the Government Stock and this is enshrined in law.

    Banking Act 1946, First Schedule
    8. The Government stock issued in substitution for any Bank stock shall be held in the
    same rights and on the same trusts and subject to the same powers, privileges, provisions,
    charges, restraints and liabilities as those in, on or subject to which the Bank stock was held
    immediately before the appointed day, and so as to give effect to and not revoke any deed,
    will, order, mandate, notice or other instrument or testamentary or other disposition
    disposing of or affecting the Bank stock, and every such instrument or disposition shall take
    effect with reference to the whole or a proportionate part, as the case may be, of the
    substituted Government stock.

    By :
    Bonaparte
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • Bonaparte, Sorry your point?

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • I think the constant in/out attitude is not going to get us too far.

    Of course, there are ways to remedy the spending on the running of the EU, perhaps that something to consider.

    We do have a serious housing issues in this country, and we must consider exactly how this is going to be brought into some sort of control.

    I agree with the EU, and more importantly what it stands for. I feel it is time to pull together, also with the problems in our country, it is time in some areas to rethink the ideas of the past. But to do changes, in a thought out manner.

    By :
    Helen Dudden
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • With the greatest respect Helen I think you need to look at the state of other countries in the EU before you say the UK has problems. The EU and Brussels is not all shining and goodness. Believe me it's a mess and it's not going to get any better anytime soon. I voted us in the common Market and it was ok. But it's just too big and to powerful now.
    Even today the Ex Chancellor Kohl from Germany stated that he bullied the EU into taking the EURO against all sensible advice. When you get people like that saying it was a mistake, it make one wonder what other mistakes were made in the egotistical EU and it's power hungry race to the United States of Europe finish line.
    I think Cameron is right the EU need to be reined in. Get what it's got right and then, and only then move on if it's necessary.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • I know, I go to Brussels, and also, another country within the EU.

    I go back this weekend. Of course, there are problems, we DO have problems here.

    The situation of the euro was not the best idea, and I feel the attitude of the in or out, shall we have a referendum? No to be a positive way forward.

    Until, we sort out the housing and the price of the escalating fuel costs, then, we will be in for more problems. We also should be having some thoughts into saving energy, not looking simply to produce more.

    I think having relatives in a country, that are living normal lives, not simply British going to live there, helps me understand the true picture of the situation.

    Yes Philip, I am aware of the true situation.

    By :
    Helen Dudden
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • @ Philip royle

    Bit of a struggle on this post Philip.
    an european is close to posting decipherable posts for a change. If you can be bothered to put (her) trading style in the search box and read (her) old posts. I think you will find (she) is French.

    Our friend Otto has a bit of an identity crisis as he doesn't seem to realise that if he was born in Scotland then he is actually British. He must have left the country before going to school because his English is not native. He would also have learned what a Constitutional Monarchy is. Maybe he is just telling Porky Pies! He will need to wait until the EU gets a seat at the UN then he can be European and recognised as such.

    By :
    George Mc
    - Posted on :
    09/04/2013
  • Yes, I have left GB as I was young - in 1970. This was a right decision. Now I live in a fully democratic and economically stable state.

    You don't need to wait until the EU gets a seat at the UN to identify yourself as an European. Almost all people who live in Europa are Europeans, aren't they?

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • On the 3rd February 2013 Cameron was snubbed by the French President, as reported in the Guardian newspaper.

    We have issues in the UK as stated, the way the bedroom tax is being implemented, there is no where else to live.

    The benefit system, remove benefits force people to work.
    Do we have the suitable employment, good question?

    I understand the problems in Spain, and also in Greece, just two countries I will mention for examples. Much pain is being felt by those in very difficult situations.

    Unless, we work on the principles of looking to find answers and learn from past errors, how can we improve on the relationship with the EU?

    Winston Churchill had a dream for a more stable Europe.

    By :
    Helen Dudden
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • Thanks' George Mc I have to admit to stringing Otto along. I was at a bit of a lose end and Otto gave me something to do for a while but I got a tad bored! And I agree 'An European' seems to have lost the plot lol. For a while I thought Otto and An European were one and the same. The only reason I engage with them is to try and find out were they come from. Other than that they have nothing intelligent to say they just rant in true EU style and ignore everything and everyone else.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • George Mc - let's stick to the facts rather than throwing xenophobic rhetoric around, shall we? Could you reply in German to Otto or in French to the other poster? Somehow I doubt it. All the schooling about constitutional monarchy (whatever that is or was) wouldn't have left much time for languages.

    As for the EU's seat at the UN, I've got news for you. It's had observer status for a couple of years now and once the Brixit materialises, it will only be a matter of time before it gets a permanent seat.

    By :
    Patrick
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • Helen I take it you work for the EU? Im sorry for being inquisitive but as you may find on these EU forums people don't always nail their flag to the post and one cannot have a debate if one side knows more about the other.
    I am an English man living in Spain with my Spanish wife I an the only English man or foreigner for that fact, I know. So I can say I live with the Spanish not the EX-Pat community. I am also a Eurosceptic but not a member or follower of UKIP.
    To say that Spain is suffering 'pain' is a gross understatement. It's being destroyed. Generations of young people have no work and there will be non for the foreseeable future. One of the great EU secret is how individual countries treat their own people. In Spain is appalling.
    I also have a sister in law who has lived in France for over 40 years and I have French relatives. So I would say I am in a privileged position to see at ground level the problems in three countries. The UK (where my children and family still live), Spain and France.
    I take it you are a Europhile so I suspect we will not agree on much as far as the EU is concerned lol!

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • @ Philip Royle

    Your message from 08/04/2013:
    "Nothing would give me greater pleasure than waving you good-bye as you descend into the totalitarian state of Europe. At least we in the UK will keep some form of democracy."

    Your message from 10/04/2013:
    "I am an English man living in Spain with my Spanish wife"

    Looks like you love totalitarian states OR you hate your wife OR you are liar.

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • OTTO give it a rest! Go away think of something intelligent to say that we can discus and then come back. And for the last time there is no such country as EUROPE, EUROPA, or the EUROPEAN UNION. If you were born in Scotland then you are Scottish. But since no one from Scotland would ever be ashamed of their birth place I can only assume that you not Scottish. The Scottish people are too proud to lie about it.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • Patrick. There is a theme that runs through many posters here and that the reference to the British Royal family, or Monarchy as you and others put it. One could be forgiven into thinking they were all the same keyboard?

    As far as languages I would just do what Otto and An European do and use Google. And the only people who could be considered as racist if you feel the need to take it that far, are the ones attacking my country whilst hiding theirs.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • @ Philip Royle

    "Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud adopts, as a last resource, pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and glad to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority" (Arthur Schopenhauer)

    Think about it, my pour compatriot.

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • For Philip Royle and George Mac it seems the best reform Cameron could come up with (as a British output for a more democratic EU) would be to require a certificate of birth (preferably traking back generations of genetic details) for anyone intending to express an opinion and expect an answer in return (from them). According to their views, they, as recurring posters on such a site as Euractiv.com (whether for EU debates or abolition of human rights in Britain same thing) only feel entitled to reply with factual argumentation, as long as their contradictors publish first a fully detailed survey of their genetic profile (authentifed as naturally legitimate to speak or think), when it's not a certificate of language skills in English, a least as good as their genuine speaking competences.

    How very convincing in terms of fight for democracy to moan about the quangocracy in the EU (as Great Britain were the world's best example of human History in terms of people's political and social rights) but incidentally fail at condemning equally institutions in Britain as the House of Lord, the Monarchy or Nato saying it has in this case nothing to do with “dictatorship” all of a sudden, since obviously the inner nature of any british body is worldly famous for being immaculate and free of any suspicion of abuse, as far as democracy or human rights are concered (whether through the UK’s history of aristocratic and puritan class-system, the Commonwealth, the Tory party, or today the City of London or such media empires as Rupert Murdoch’s press for example, they, by the way relay the poor content of adding hardly more arguments than “Britain is the best forever, has and always will be a land of eternal glory and a lighthouse for freedom” (as long as one provides English gentlemen’s with decent ancestry and blood to be considered as legitimate enough to express any possible doubt in the matter...) how very convincing!

    By :
    uk-skeptic
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • Dear Uk-Skeptic, What on earth are you talking about? If you want a debate then I suggest you write a coherent argument instead of rambling on about something or other and attacking the Uk my country. What is your country? Or are you an 'Otto', or 'An European' or 'Patrick' clone? Until you have the guts to inform us where you come from that all you say is mute.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • @ Patrick
    You shouldn't throw words around like 'xenophobic' when you clearly don't understand what it means. Let's look at your post and see what we can come up with.

    “Could you reply in German to Otto or in French to the other poster? Somehow I doubt it.”

    Fair point. Unless however is has escaped your attention this is an English language blog. I can assure you that I never attempted to post on non English language blogs by using translation packages.

    “Somehow I doubt it. All the schooling about constitutional monarchy (whatever that is or was) wouldn't have left much time for languages.”

    I hope you are not British, otherwise the education systems seems to have let you down. The following took me 10 seconds to Google

    What is constitutional monarchy?

    Constitutional monarchy is a form of government in which a king or queen acts as Head of State.
    The ability to make and pass legislation resides with an elected Parliament, not with the Monarch.
    As a system of government, constitutional monarchy separates the Head of State’s ceremonial and official duties from party politics.
    A constitutional monarchy also provides stability, continuity and a national focus, as the Head of State remains the same even as governments change.
    The Sovereign/Monarch governs according to the constitution - that is, according to rules, rather than according to his or her own free will. The United Kingdom does not have a written constitution which sets out the rights and duties of the Sovereign, they are established by conventions. These are non-statutory rules which can be just as binding as formal constitutional rules.
    As a constitutional monarch, the Sovereign must remain politically neutral.
    On almost all matters the Sovereign acts on the advice of ministers. However, the Sovereign retains an important political role as Head of State, formally appointing prime ministers, approving certain legislation and bestowing honours.
    The Sovereign has other official roles to play such as Head of the Armed Forces.
    http://www.royal.gov.uk/monarchuk/howthemonarchyworks/whatisconstitutionalmonarchy.aspx

    I am very sorry about the state of ignorance about what the EU is or is not. It certainly is not what Otto claims. Even if you are right about the British Brexit which many of us would be happy to see, it does not give the EU the right to join international bodies as it is not a Nation, more a supranational organisation or intergovernmental organisation. If the Europhiles get their EU state then the EU could then inherit Germany or Frances seat at the top table, alongside Britain.
    Cheers

    By :
    George Mc
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • Firstly, I do have some French connection, that is true, I also believe in human rights and the right to speak freely on your opinions.

    Philip, I think that you are not being fair to Otto, he too has the right to his opinions.

    David Cameron, is causing some comments in his country.

    I would say, never make changes because you can, they should have a good, sound reason for change. I do not agree that because you are the present Prime Minister, you have the right to do as you feel right, for yourself.

    Of course, there are many other countries outside the EU that have not good standards too. The EU should be used to make improvements, the Euro should have been more thought out, the ability to help others is a good idea, how about the foreign aid policy we have for other countries that have problems? They are not in the EU.

    By :
    Helen Dudden
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • Helen when Otto has something sensible to say then I will engage with him. Human rights and freedom of speech come with a responsibility. This does not include being a 'long range sniper' and attacking other people and their country who are truthful with who they are.
    I cant help but notice they you say David Cameron and 'his country' surly that should be 'our country' or the 'UK'. His country? just not right.

    Your next paragraph leaves me a tad bewildered it's a Prime Ministers job to change things with the consent of the Government and Parliament. A Prime Minster is not a dictator. You must understand that?
    He does have a good sound reason to ask for change. I think it's quite apparent that the British people want it. Read any news paper. And I would point you to the recent wins by UKIP. Not that I agree with UKIP but it's obvious that many do. Are you saying that the PM should ignore public opinion?

    Why should I help to make improvement in countries that are taking British jobs from British people? The UK as a sovereign country gives billions away. Thats enough for me. The Eu should be forced to improve it's self first and when it's working correctly then it can look outwards.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • @ George Mc

    My objections were about some real powers your Monarch have:

    1. The right to choose a Prime Minister (in some situations)
    2. The right to unilaterally dismiss ministers (including a Prime Minister)
    3. The powers to regulate the civil service, issue passports
    4. The powers to negotiate and ratify treaties, alliances, and international agreements
    5. The right to DECLARE A WAR and direct the actions of the military

    As I can see, not all Britons know about it.

    So, you guys in UK have a not elected lifetime leader with broad powers (including the right to make a war). And you guys have to say something about a lack of democracy in EU?!

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • Otto mate I have tried to engage you a number of times. All you seem to do is attack my country. That fine I have broad shoulders So for the sake of Helen Dudden' as she seems to think I an not fair to you I will try one more time.

    Firstly Otto The Monarch does not choose the PM. The government chooses the PM and the Government is elected democratically by the people. Ok got that, Queen nothing to do with choosing the PM.

    The Queen cannot dismiss anyone in Government. In fact I would go as far as to say the only people she can dismiss, under current labour laws, are her personal staff that work for her.

    The Queen has no power to issue Passports or to regulate the civil service. Its a branch of the government Nothing to do with the Queen, and she has no power over it.

    What is it with War Otto ? you seem a tad fixated about this. The Queen cannot declare war on anything not even her husband. can you tell me where you are getting this information from?

    I think you are confusing the Queen who signs some government documents with her being in power. The British government is the lawful authority in the UK not the Queen.

    It would be nice to have a pop at your country but of course you don't have one do you?

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • Otto take no notice, unless you wish to.

    Philip, what a waste of time and energy this is, I have grown tired of trying to explain anything to you.

    I have not been rude with my comments, I will not bother to answer any more of this nonsense.

    By :
    Helen Dudden
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • @ Philip Royle

    Philip, you know nothing about your state.
    Take a 10 min time for a self-education:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_the_United_Kingdom#Constitutional_role

    Number of Britons educated today: +1

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • Helen Dudden You said I was being unfair to Otto. So in reply to his post I gave a sensible and respectful answer to each of his allegations,. What is it that Otto should take no notice of?
    I do not think I have been rude to anyone. I find it strange that in one post you defend Ottos rights to have his opinions. But when you don't agree with my opinions you grow tired of the nonsense Typical Europhile dismiss everyone's opinion that doesn't agree with the Eu. Typical liberal

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • @ Philip Royle

    About my "fixation" about war. Do you know UK possess nuclear weapons? Of course you don't. So, yes, UK possess nuclear weapons.
    Your lovely Queen have the right to declare a war and direct the actions of the military.
    Your lovely Queen can nuke France, for example. Or Scotland. She don't need ANY permission for it.
    Nice "constitutional monarchy", isn't it?

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • Well I've had my fun with you today Otto so see you tomorrow. lol

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • @ Philip Royle

    In case first article was too long for you:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_prerogative_in_the_United_Kingdom

    Yes, it can be a surprise for you, but your Monarch still possess real powers. Your state is not a real democracy.

    Prepare yourself for tomorrow - educate yourself!

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • @ Otto

    Oh my friend you really really are hard work.
    You clearly have a fixation about the UK and our Royal Family. This is really hard to understand as it has absolutely nothing to do with anyone outside our country, unless of course they are British. It is very easy for you and others to snipe and carp about how we in this country do and organize things, from the sidelines. In so doing you display all the characteristics of a bad mannered child who has been denied access to their toys and sweets. What is it that people like you fear? Are you worried that your country may have a less than glorious past and fear ridicule? If that is the case you should still stand up and comment on the points that are raised in the blog. Provided of course you have done your research first to avoid embarrassment.

    If you are unable to comply with what most would consider to be basic principles of debating, then people will just ignore you and move on to talk with the 'open' debaters who are many.

    I find that attitudes like yours and a few others I have met are very often displayed by people of French extraction or upbringing. Are you French Otto, go on out yourself!

    In my country we take a mature attitude to government and realise that not everything is good or indeed correct and that we should work to fix it. For the avoidance of doubt that 'we' refers to people registered to vote in the UK. That is our way of handling democracy. Unless someone has a hobby or interest in things French or Spanish or German etc. etc. we tend to take no interest in their ways of doing things and would generally say that is not for us to interfere in, and let them get on with it.

    By :
    George Mc
    - Posted on :
    10/04/2013
  • otto, the queen must first beg the pentagone and send checks every year for renting out a programm the UK actually doesn't control (actually for launching it). That's why she also follows the usa anywhere without the slightest margin of negociation in the process.

    What people in the uk don't understand is that not so far from them, hundereds of milions of europeans are living in a completly different world, where following Uncle Sam isn't an inherent duty and where people still value their own's country's ideal and feel proud of it (or at least of their own language). In most of Europe's mainland working out your independance vis a vis the usa doesn't provok the slightest debate. It's true we don't exactly have the same medias, and we speak many languages which helps out for understanding where you stand out for in the world.

    Other heads of State stand perfecly well in front of the united states, without feeling instantly thy have to play the docile poodle and still they enjoy lower debt, higher exports, stable social balances and the best standards of living, quality of life, culture... becoming more and more seducive as a political model of development for the whole world (even in the US).

    That's hard to conceive when you live in the UK. Anyone can observe this exept incidently the british themselves.

    By :
    uk-skeptic
    - Posted on :
    11/04/2013
  • Good morning 'Uk Skeptic' nice to read your usual anti British rant first thing in the morning. I'm just waiting for 'Otto' and 'An European' to log on and they can join in the anti British rants, most amusing.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    11/04/2013
  • I love UK. Its a part of my country (EU) and my birth-place. But I hate:
    1) undemocratic governments (like in UK)
    2) Monarchy - "constitutional" or not
    3) some arrogant and uneducated Britons who don't know anything about their state but like to criticize EU for the things they don't understand (although Britons in general are good and well educated people)

    By :
    Otto
    - Posted on :
    11/04/2013
  • Ah good old Otto come to join in. Bit busy today so might no be able to give you much attention.
    Right where to start.
    Hate, Yes you have plenty of that Otto
    1. Undemocratic? please explain to me how you come to this. What country do you vote in Otto? do you even have a vote? Its a bit rich for some one to tell me that I come from an undemocratic country, when they have no country themselves but belong to a country that is a figment if their imagination.
    2. don't understand this one Otto mate?
    3. Well again it's a bit rich Otto old boy, Someone that has no country (you) who constantly criticises the UK, a country that you obviously know nothing about. Just because some people don't like the EU and all it stands for. What your saying Otto is that we should blindly follow the commands of Brussels and not say anything. Because the EU is great the EU is all powerful, the EU has the answers to every thing, All hail the EU! lol.

    Over to you Otto.

    By :
    Philip royle
    - Posted on :
    11/04/2013
British Prime Minister David Cameron
Background: 

A potential British exit from the European Union came to the top of the political agenda after Prime Minister David Cameron said on 23 January that Britain must use the upheaval created by the eurozone crisis to forge a new relationship with the European Union.

Britain has negotiated a number of opt-outs from key EU policy areas since its accession in 1973. The country is not part of the eurozone and has not signed the free-border Schengen Treaty and does not want to abide by a number of EU police and judicial cooperation rules.

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