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Published 12 March 2012

European Union membership has taken centre stage in the Scottish independence debate amidst a bitter legal wrangle about Scotland's status if it secedes from the UK following a scheduled referendum in 2014.

A report released last week by Business for New Europe, a pro-European British consortium, says an independent Scotland could only negotiate EU membership with the unanimous consent of all existing EU members, and not “automatically” as Scottish nationalists have claimed.

Negotiating in such circumstances would disadvantage Scotland, and “the more it would ask for in a negotiation, the less likely member states like Spain or Belgium, with their own independence movements, would be willing to give Scotland an easy ride given the precedent it would set,” the report says.

Report issued to counter misleading information

Business for New Europe's director, Phillip Souta, told EurActiv the organisation published the report “to highlight the fact that it is dangerous and potentially misleading to tell the Scottish people that they are safe to assume Scotland would automatically be a member of the EU if it became independent.”

The report's claims were dismissed by Scottish nationalists who questioned the legal assumptions underpinning the study and said that negotiations by an independent Scotland over EU membership would be exactly the same as those for the remaining part of the UK.

“These claims are wrong and based on a fundamental misunderstanding of Scotland’s status – an independent Scotland will not be an accession state to the EU but a successor state inheriting existing treaty rights and obligations, in exactly the same way as the rest of the UK,” a spokesman for Scotland's nationalist First Minister, Alex Salmond, told EurActiv.

A matter for the Council

Accusing the report of containing "basic errors", nationalist MEP Alyn Smith told EurActiv that Scotland's independent EU membership would be negotiated by the European Council, using qualified majority voting, adding that lawyers had confirmed that Scotland and the UK would both be treated as successor states.

Smith also dismissed suggestions that Spain and Belgium may take a tough negotiating stance on Scottish EU membership, because of their own difficulties with separatists in Catalonia and Flanders. He said Spain's opposition to Scottish independence was “a myth that has been exploded”.

“Spanish Foreign Minister José Manuel García Margallo said last month that Spain would have nothing to say. No one would object to a consented independence of Scotland,” Smith said.

Positions: 

“Scotland is already part of the territory of the European Union and the people of Scotland are citizens of the EU – and, as distinguished legal, constitutional and European experts have confirmed, there is no provision for either of these circumstances to change upon independence, and the rest of the UK will be exactly the same position,” said a spokesman for Scotland's nationalist First Minister, Alex Salmond.

“We [the UK and Scotland] will both be successor states, with exactly the same status within the EU – as senior EU sources were recently reported as saying – which will apply to all matters, including inheriting the rebate,” Salmond's spokesman said.

Spanish Foreign Minister José Manuel García-Margallo said the Scottish process “is an internal subject which will be resolved within the British constitutional framework, which has nothing to do with the Spanish constitutional framework…they are completely different processes.”

“At no point has any threat been made to the British Government,” García-Margallo told a press conference in Brussels on 23 January.

"The Business for New Europe report contains some basic errors, like the assertion that European enlargement requires adjustments to the founding treaties,” said MEP Alyn Smith (Scotland; Scottish National Party).

“Lisbon changed that and the treaties are now set up to accommodate enlargement without renegotiation. The report also appears to fail to understand that MEP numbers for each State are now determined by formula rather than negotiation and that weighted voting will disappear in November 2014 - just after Scotland votes for independence. The report is a fantasy reliant on inaccurate premises.”

Next steps: 

 Second half of 2014: Referendum on Scottish independence to take place

Jeremy Fleming

COMMENTS

  • A question not posed in the article is “who funds “Business for New Europe” (Euractive – I think there was a name change) and who funded this study. Speculating, it has Tory-vermin finger prints all over it and a quick look at the “advisory council” suggests this is the case. Some of them are interesting characters, Mrs Judge has form (in “Private Eye” ) & what can one say about Leon? They all fall into the “great(?) n good(?) category. Unanswered question: why so against Scottish independence? Or would that upset the business interests they represent? Change eh! All so unpredictable when what is wanted is stasis.

    Oh and to be clear & speaking as an English citizen, good luck to the Scots, I hope they achieve independence (note: freedom is taken – not given)

    By :
    Mike Parr
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2012
  • Thanks Mike, very pertinent comments. The independent movement is being attacked from all sides at the moment by groups with vested interests who don't declare them!!!

    By :
    Eric
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2012
  • "Tory-vermin" etc etc - yawn

    Can't this guy communicate on a public forum in a civilised manner?

    By :
    Charles_M
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2012
  • I always check sources these days, it saves a great deal of time.

    By :
    Daye Tucker
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2012
  • I think it would be interesting to have the EU institutions answer the question "if Scotland democratically voted for independence would this render their EU citizenship invalid" If the answer is yes then i can see a very easy headline in the news "EU expels 6million citizens for expressing their democratic right”.

    By :
    Mark C
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2012
  • 'Big up' to the Scots!

    By :
    Clive Draper
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2012
  • “a myth that has been exploded” - exploited?

    By :
    Ghjkl
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2012
  • I am a Scottish voter and will be voting no in the independence referendum. Despite what many of the Nationalists would have you believe Scotland is not and never has been a colony, we are not oppressed and do not need to be freed. Personally,I believe we all benefit from the Union - English, Scottish, Welsh, Cornish - whatever. The country is greater than the sum of its parts.

    For now, the majority of Scots agree with me. Latest polls suggest 53% against separation, 32% in favour. Indeed, independence was the favoured option of just 24% of those polled. Those who wish to view this as some sort of anti-imperial struggle need to look at their own motivations, rather than Scotland's.

    By :
    themushypea
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2012
  • The legal EU status of a "seceding part of a member state" is indeed worth a serious legal study by authorised experts as it might be of some interest to other EU regional entities.

    Two extreme solutions and procedures may however be discarded : that of article I-58 TEU relating to the accession procedure of a "foreign" state - and that of a simple, automatic and partial "succession" in the rights and prerogatives of the "seceded" member state.

    The most likely procedure would be that of a revision of the EU Treaties under article 443 TFEU or 444 (simplified procedure) .

    On a purely political level, the right of a legally seceding part of a member state to remain part of the EU apprears unquestionable .

    Jean-Guy GIRAUD

    ;

    By :
    Jean-Guy Giraud
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2012
  • Hmmm,

    That it is the Roland Rudd vehicle does suggest establishment support.

    But that doesn't mean it isn't accurate. Mr Smith's response is weak, his lawyers.. Which lawyers, after all if you pay them they will tell you what you want to hear.

    By :
    Gawain Towler
    - Posted on :
    12/03/2012
  • I think those who want to form an opinion on this issue should look at Canada first. Quebec had referendums to separate twice and both times separatist supporters made voters think that a "Yes" vote would give them things that clearly the rest of Canada would never agree to. They also thought they would automatically become/remain part of NAFTA. The rest of Canada and the United States never agreed to this and separation of Quebec never meant that Canada would have to renegotiate accession into NAFTA (it was actually thought that Quebec would need permission from the original signatories, including Canada). Scotland's situation is a different situation, time and place, but a precedent has been set with other separatist referendums.

    By :
    Joel
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2012
  • Some people think I am being uncivilised with respect to the comment "Tory-vermin". Let me help:

    "No amount of cajolery, and no attempts at ethical or social seduction, can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin."
    Aneurin Bevan (architect of the NHS)

    If the phrase is good enough for Bevan it's good enough for me to use to describe a party that are collectively vermin & I notice busy destroying what he built. Indeed, Bevan's comment is as true now as it was then (in the 1940s).

    By :
    Mike Parr
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2012
  • I remains a source of confusion to me that Scotland can 'enter' the EU without any negotiation. As far as I am aware the only case where an EU state has split is the case of Greenland with then remained outside. It seems to me there there are three options; Scotland negotiats entry (and will be forced to adopt Schengen/Euro etc), both Scotland and remainder of UK have to re-nogotiate their place or there is not neogitiation. I cannot belove the latter because other member states are sure to take up the issue of the rebate. Who gets the rebate?

    By :
    Steve P
    - Posted on :
    13/03/2012
  • The Question of Scotland's membership status of the EU should be left until Scotland has suceeded in voting for independence in a referendum . As I understand the Scottish nationalists are a minority party ; that the majority of Scottish people will vote to remain part of the UK . In the event of Scotland achieving independence and having to apply for EU membership , likewise the remaining part of the UK having to do the same ; Westminster might decide not to reapply or to have a prior referendum to ask the people .

    By :
    David Barneby
    - Posted on :
    17/03/2012
Flying proud - a new EU state?
Background: 

Standard procedure for external accession candidates such as Croatia, which enters the European Union in 2013, involves the unanimous backing of all EU governments.

The procedure that would be followed in the event that Alex Salmond secures a 'yes' vote in Scotland's referendum on independence from the United Kingdom – which will take place in late 2014 – remains unresolved however.

There have been suggestions that the Council could agree by qualified majority vote to re-house the two successor states (Scotland and the remainder of the UK) back inside the EU in a fast procedure.

What is certain however is that Scottish secession would trigger complex three-way negotiations between London, Edinburgh and Brussels, altering the existing voting power of the UK within the EU.

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