MEP Farage: 'We are Europeans, and proud of it'

Nigel, your my man. I am one of the non-voters of Britain but with your comments and ideals I am for you.
There is much I would like to discuss with you on the subject of the UK and EU which I would rather not put in writing, as I'm sure you understand.
let's kick some butts.
My very best wishes, keep up the good work.
JW

Nigel, please hurry up and get Britain out. Over here the champagne is ready together with the common external tariff ;-)

Nigel Farage is and would never be European As the most of Britain s citizen! UCkip = UK skip of Europe !
And unfortunately it's so clear that every UK Citizen is Anti-european too !
In other words Farage would retransform the U.S. into an (past) confederation or splitting in 50 Countries !

No Mr Farage , the truth is , You are an camouflaged Anti-European who talks simply with the same word "democracy"!
Maybe i think UK should really leave the EU!
That would make UK citizen with Farage happier!

Farage just hopes the UK stays as long as possible in the EU, so he can go on fooling the british people, telling them how miraculous everything would suddently become if only Britain were out of the EU, trading alone in the world, with an automatically-regained sovereignty! Actually, the day Britain leaves the EU, either the british realise there is no reasonable option for them but to come back in (and Farrage carrier is ruined) or, Britain has to make-up a different name for its relationship with the EU, but everything merely stays the same in fact, and Farrage also loses his carrier.

I agree totally with Nigel Farage.You may be annoyed with him but he speaks the truth. Let the member countries vote if they wish to stay in the EU. But before that the EU must clearly state what it means to belong to the EU, such as loss of sovereignty (Kicked elected prime ministers from Greece and Italy which is not too democratic,loss of self determination, and eventually loss of national culture, economy and borders. Of course the FrancoGerman bloc will rule the rest of Europe especially the contemptious and lazy PIIGS. The EU is built on an unworkable model and it will collapse under its own weight. Already there are widening schisms and a lot of bad blood between North and South In the mean time keep wearing your rose coloured glasses. You only cheat yourselves. If you feel so certain about the EU why don't you ask the citizens of the member countries? I believe this is called Democracy.

We are members of the Commonwealth, our Monarch is at its Head. The Commonwealth, once known as the British Commonwealth, gave the UK a worldwide view at life. A Commonwealth of Nations that all shared the same values. The Countries cover six continents and covers about one third of the Worlds population, absolutely amazing and it is still dynamic and growing. The Commonwealth has survived many years, and the people’s of the Commonwealth have fought side by side, particularly in the last World War that many alive today realise that without them fighting side
by side, many would not have had the freedom "today" that they fought together for in 1939-1945. Now the word and meaning of 'British' has been dropped from its title and the allegiance to the Crown from its statute. There has never been any need for a Constitution for the Commonwealth nor a Charter but having read what is proposed for the future New Commonwealth? Who knows what will happen? Did the people of the Commonwealth take their eyes off the ball when Mr Cameron and Mr Hague attended the last meeting in 2011? Now why didn't they tell the people of THIS Country. They wanted to change the ACT of SETTLEMENT yet they have never mentioned THAT to anyone here in the UK? WHY NOT? Shouldn't the people of the UNITED KINGDOM be asked too?

Sadly, our experience after all these years in the European Union the people feel trapped inside a dying political project, for the never ending EU Rules and Regulations make the people feel Governed by foreigners in everything they do. Indeed, the EU legislation are formed by foreigners and then transposed. Some are presented into this Country as if it is our own Government’s idea such as the HS2 part of the European Union’s Tran-European Transport Network (Ten-T) Policy and of course the recent Localism Bill also recorded in the Council of Europe. The permanent dividing of ENGLAND into Regions, for and on behalf of the European Union.

The question has never been asked Nigel if any of this is what the people want. The people cannot support remaining in an EU, a foreign Organisation that is completely alien to them and this Country's Long standing Common law Constitution.

...it would stop once they get out of the EU

Anne, Your "friends" in the commonwealth had no choice but to fight for your wars. They were under-citizens at the time and had been spoiled their ressources and human rights by the british colonisation (nothing to do with free markets). What do you mean exactly by thanking them after the war? Apartheid? Massacres?

News for you: nobody forced Britain to join. They "freely" proposed their candidature and even had to wait and beg a bit before being allowed as a member. They by themselves organised and won a referendum for getting in, but nobody ever was particularly waiting them, as nobody either cares today about having the UK further in or not. I would rather say if people do have an opinion in Europe, it's more likely to be they prefer you OUT.

Even Italy has become richer than you by now. Your debts, waistings and unproductive economy is all you have left to offer, so it's of no use to play the desired princess, everybody knows you are long ruined, half sold to America, obese going and mostly buisy screaming around how everything is still perfectly fine. The UK looks like a miserable drunk trump wandering in the underground and claiming at everyone he is in fact an earl with milions at the bank. Sadly nobody pays any attention to such lost souls!

Euro-sceptic who replied to Anne,
Your reply betrays your severe lack of judgment and fair play. You refer to the colonial times when Britain exploited her colonies.So what. So did Germany, France, Italy, Portugal, Spain, Holland, Belgium etc.If you are to bring the past should we bring back the accomplishments of the Germans in the last war? So please let's leave the past and talk about the present. Second point you raise about Britain begging to enter the Common Market. May I remind you that time it was a Common Market ie a business community. However now the EU wants to take over the sovereignty of member states through one central bank, one EU army, one central planning etc. And it wishes to accomplish this without asking the citizens of member states. Say that I joined a club to play chess and begged to join. Yet after a few years the dominant members decided to branch into selling drugs. Would you resend me if I decide to quit the club? I hope not. When the UK joined the European Common Market, it was ruled by Westminster and not Brussels, which unfortunately is not the case now.Perhaps the economic situation in the UK has something to do with the sickness of the EU. Get it in your pea brain that from what you wrote you have not the mental capacity to understand and criticise the UK.You use demeaning insults to back your silly and weak arguments.Go back to sleep. We'll wake you up when it is all over.
This comes from a Canadian of Greek extraction, designer of CANDU nuclear power stations living in Canada and not a British citizen. Yes the Brits had a hand in the Cyprus problem and killed many Greeks in Athens after the war. But then the Germans exterminated 2% of the Greek population. Intelligence and fair play tells me to move on and live in the present with a view to the future. Grow up!!

UKsceptic. Had there been Internet in those days the lie that our THEN Prime Minister told the people to get them to vote to "remain in" the then EEC, would never have been accepted.

Prime Minister Harold Macmillan 31st July 1961 (column 928) "This is political as well as an economic issue. Although the Treaty of Rome is concerned with economic matters it has an important political objective, namely to promote unity and stability in Europe which is so essential a factor in the struggle for freedom and progress throughout the world".

Mr Fell (Same day Column 935), "Is the Prime Minister aware that this decision to gamble with the British sovereignty in Europe, when 650 million people in the British Commonwealth depend upon his faith and his leadership, is the most disastrous thing that any Prime Minister has done for many generation past?"

On 3rd August 1961 (column 1735) Mr Shinwell "I wonder what this place will be like during the course of the next ten years? There will not be 630 Hon Members. There will be no need for more than 150 or so. It will be like---"

Mr A. C. Manuel, "A Council".

Mr Shinwell, "I was about to say a Parish Council, with the authority of some kind delegated to it by the European Parliament and dictated to be a European Government. To that we are being led". End of comments from that time.

We are there UKsceptic. We no longer need anyone in that Parliament now the EU Regions have been set up. The UK Government are getting rid-allegedly- of 50 MP's. IF WE REMAIN IN THE EU WE ONLY NEED 50 LEFT. With extra EU Regions, elected Police Commissioners and elected Mayors for those Regions, why on earth do we need anyone in the Houses of Parliament? The United Kingdom my generation fought for-will be gone for good.

Anne, Sorry but apparently the common law has no problem integrating the EU law, as the UK is one of the most disciplined member state to transpose european legislation. And Scotlands civil law (continental system), once again, wasn't a problem to create the UK 300 years ago and the british justice seems to function ok since this "foreign" system merged with the english common law.

Prime ministers as any politician during any political campaign can say all sorts of things to convince people but only the voters ultimatly make their own opinion and choose sovereignly. If we had to cancel every elections during which politicians had happened to lie... there wouldn't be any left hold. You think people didn't get information before Internet? Certainly the English newpapers then were of an other kind of quality as now! And anybody could easily get that joining the European community would imply losses of direct sovereignty but other advantages in return. I think this was very clear to anyone from the beginning on, whatever the politicians may then say.

I guess, if you say you worship common law so much, you should respect the democratic vote of your fellow citizens and not call them manipulated ignorant fools because it doesn't match your personal opinion.

Michael D. my name is UKskeptic. My personal position on Europe is of little interest as I don't start by wondering whether I fancy or not the EU, to only then go gather arguments in one or the other direction. I'm just commenting factually on what happens to be written here. I'm not saying the EU is wonderful, I'm just curious if Britain were to leave, what they possibly could "replace" Europe by, in todays world, given that the UK once needed to join, and however much "nasty" the EU may appear to be.

Sovereignty is a concept which requires a little more work than opting-out from this or that paragraph in international treaties. However you fancy to formulate it in law, trade and strategic constraints in a globalised world impact sovereignty much more than whatever sentence like "crown in parlement" you may worship in your constitution. So what happens the next day the UK leaves the EU? They suddently find a new Eldorado overseas or everything just stays merely the same, only with another formulation in law?

I don't know any German, French, Belgian or else who proposes as Anne, to rebuilt their former colonial empire in order to escape the EU. That is the only reason I felt the need to tell Anne that her beloved "friends" in Kenya or South Africa may not be so eager to refind their ex British control!

Finally the political aims of european integration are perfectly well known from the very beginning, when in the 50's the german and french steel and coal industries (one needs for war) got mutualised. The supra-national commission in Brussels extisted far before the British joined in the 70's, so they couldn't imagine it only was a "buisness community" as you put it. The previous Efta bloc may have been such a "purely commercial" agreement, trying precisely to compete with Europe as a non-political association, but it failed and the UK having to join, couldn't then assume their membership would just mean the same as staying in the collapsing european "non political" challenger EFTA. Honestly, who believed Europe ever was a trading project only? Is that really what you learn in Canada?

Iwantout, I'm not at all worried. I confess I would personaly prefer if the UK miserably were to shrink in their narrow-minded views, without anyone in the world to pay them any attention (that would give us some rest). But more seriously, I'm affraid nothing of this will happen as nothing at all will change in fact, whether the UK votes in or out.

Their necessary and geographical dependency on an ever-more-united continent will still apply economically as therefore politically, nevermind the different name Britain will fancy to put on its relationship with Europe. Euroskeptics will still be claiming to rejoyce in cosmetic sovereignty while signing-up for everything in Brussels as usual (just calling it differently in their constitution, so they can go on fooling around the credulous british people as they managed to do for 40 years).

You admitted yourself in another article comment that the first thing the UK once out would realisticaly have to do, was to try to negociate the same kind of agreements it is now enjoying in the single market. So you'll merely bang the door to come back through the window... if you have nothing else to keep yourselves buisy with, I don't care...

Michael D., I guess you can also make your points without talking every now and again about "IQ increase" v.s. "pea-brains". I'm sure your arguments are by themselves significant enough, without for you to need commenting further on the superior quality of their inherent knowledged wisdom.

For the rest, the mentionning of the european Flag has been taken out of the Lisbon Treaty (eventhough it "unformally" exists and was used but from the very beginning on), the central bank / monetrary unit don't concern the UK as Britain isn't part of the Eurozone (as more than a 1/3 of the EUs population), the immigration policy neither regards the british as they also opted-out from Schengen's agreements... Concerning a defense force, I guess you are joking as nobody has a clue what sort of european chief of staff you are refering to, but maybe NATO (which has nothing to do with the EU). You are the only one being scared of Baroness Ashton who's only force is a pop-gun, as are most of security, foreign policy and even economic EUs officials (exept for foreign trade and single market policies, plus agriculture).

As referendums are concerned, may I remind you that on the 28 ones hold on integration measures in the EUs history, 22 were approved by member countries with an average majority of 65% yes, while only 6 were rejected by an average of 54% no. So far the EU seems most of the times (80%) largely encouraged by the people to further deepen integration, eventhough one or the orther country might once in a while say no by a short majority. And around Europe many people increasingly seem to back membership for their own country, as the EU always has succeeded at extending its influence/territory throughout its history and seems to be going on so, forcing to admit it apparently represents an ideal for many people, even outside Europe. If you talk about popularity, of course the EUs leaders or legislation aren't popular anywhere but neither seem to be national governments anywhere in Europe, whether in Britain, in France, in Spain or elsewhere any better.

About cultures I suppose it's an interesting point as for many EU supporters, it's at the heart of their endavour for a united continent, able to provide the means for european countries to preserve all the diversity of the different cultures within the continent, in a world dominated by american culture (especially in the western world, eventhough less and less so nowadays).

Sorry, maybe british students don't, but I'm sure canadian ones with their high-rating IQ know there are German, French, Russian and even Swedish or hungarian speaking minorities for millenia in many countries of the EU. Such countries like switzerland or Spain happen to exist for about 500 years (back to a time nobody ever heard even the word "Canada"), hosting at least 3 european languages. France has for 1500 years within its political territory very many different eauropean cultures (some celtic, some germanic, some flamish, some latin, even some basque) and it's only been 30 years that most people speak french as a first language in bilingual french regions. Not even mentioning that many Italians and Germans hardly understand each others and meet very significant cultural variations within their own language/country since ever.

Maybe you give Canada a couple more millenia before coming on its example to any conclusion about what has and what never has worked in history!

Michael D., Maybe, if you weren't so much focused on your Intelligence ranking performances in terms of IQ
statistics, you could distinguish between an insult and a comparison. Picturing the UK as a tramp claiming he's an earl, is only meant to point out the discernement the british are famous to lack when it comes to their own role in todays world (Anne's posts about the british Empire are very telling as far as this is concerned). That's nothing insulting, everybody knows the English aren't particularly humble, nor as powerful as they claim to be, even them probably.

Anyway I have no idea why you come up with arrogant "evil" Germany and the war more than 70 years ago. This only reveals your totally biased point of view, as if the long gone 1930's Europe were still of any relevance to analyse the european integration issues today. You really should wake up. I wonder what the sun / sky / telegraph and other so-called "Europhobe" press have been publishing in Britain about the greek membership of the PIGS countries, but I doubt it's much more flattering or elegant than what you read in
Bild or Stern (though unlike all the other 26 EU countries including Germany, the british have opted-out from the euro rescue fund). But if you are so concerned about grece's pillages take a look at the British museum. It might give you an idea of how "supid" the british wars may also have been, in the mediterranean as in South Africa or Kenya... At least in Germany they really learn there history at school.

I'm not from Germany anyway but I've lived there for a while and I know that unlike the British, germans can be very coherent, reasonable, rigorous and precise, polite and behaved, have high work ethics, sense of consensus, stability and savings, pay a lot more attention to quality of life, are competitive and productive without either having renounced on welfare, aren't covered with debts...

I've no idea either why you come up with comparisons with the US in your comment. Maybe this is an unavoidable comparison in Canada (and maybe to a smaller extend in Britain and other english-speaking minons..). But whatever may happen in the land of cow-boy-sherif-fox-obese-waisting-porn-casino-redneck-libertarian televangelists, this has very little to do with the subject here, which concerns the european civilisation (even though I remind you as it goes, the US will soon be more spanish speaking than english speaking!).

Anyway let me finally tell you that the sophistication of your "funny" nickname suggestions, i.e. "EDU" instead of EU (for Dis-Union...!) is far from comparable with the naivity you suppose in my assessments.

Honestly, I think Anne does though need a bit more information. The cold war is over. There is no more wicked reds spleeping under her bed, with a bloody knife inbetween their teeth. All McCarthy's witches have long died! In a quarter of century, Berlin has become the Capital of the world's biggest exporting economy, and counts architecturally as the most modern city of Europe today, as well as probably the trendiest and most dynamic fashionable place, especially in contemporary East Berlin (West Berlin looks in comparison like a faded suburb). Anne should take an easyjet, it's closer to her country than her decrepit Empire... She'll just have to queue up at the airport when the other european citizens can just move around freely!

UKskeptic,
I decided not to continue "chasing my tail" with you. You seem not being capable of grasping the simple concept of not putting down people and countries you don't agree with. In your last submission you described the USA as a land of cowboys ....etc. Well the culture of that land was copied by the whole world (even pornos in every big cities in Germany such as Hamburg) but no country copied anything Germanic except of the October fest which was invented by a bunch of German alcoholics. Without the USA perhaps Germany would still be living under Waimar republic conditions. Also without the US airlift there would be no Berlin in Germany today. Please study the history and be more grateful to those that helped you.Then you accuse me of being biased yet you describe Germany the "beautiful" with five lines of superlatives. Also you use history to back your arguments but when I use the same you remark "what has past history to do with EU integration?". Well history tells us not to trust the Germans who always dream of world domination. Just because some 60 years have past is no excuse why Germany refuses to pay the "war loan" the took from Greece and the reparations for totally destroying the Country and murdering over 600,000 Greeks. Anyway this will be tested in the International Courts of Justice. I used the IQ issue to humble you and dish out to you some of your own medicine. By the way how could my nickname be sophisticated since it is made by two words namely "wheeze" meaning heavy raspy breathing and "dumb" which you already understand, and it sounds like "wisedom". Got it? I have a lot more to tell you such as Germany cannot justify herself for stealing the money from Greece because Britain stole the elgin marbles. In your museums you too have Greek antiquities you stole during the war. I finally conclude that this monstrosity called EU will not succeed since its structure divides nations instead of uniting (eg PIGS, lazy, useless, stupid, toddlers etc) and is based on a faulty economic foundation (you can see the results). Moreover its agenda of getting rid of nation states (eg decisions will be made in Brussels instead of in the national parliaments) has alarmed many countries which do not wish to reliquish their sovereignty they shed their blood for. The United States of Europe is a pie in the sky wish of foolish and naive dreamers. Be certain Greece will never relinquish her sovereignty and its flag which spells out "Liberty or Death". This present Greek coalition government will not last much longer as the Greeks have had enough of German solidarity! I won't be surprised if Russia gets involved soon. Know that lately Russian marines are parading in Greek cities such as Thessaloniki, Spetsai, Alexandroupolis etc and are received by the Greek people as liberators. This is what the EU has accomplished. You may debate it all you want but first take off your blinkers and rose coloured glasses. Note I am on a souvlaki diet to increase my IQ that collapsed to idiot level since I got involved in this forum. Next time find somebody your level to debate. And please stop putting down people and countries because "what goes around comes around". Enjoy your bratwurst and sourcraut. Cheerio for the last time!! Have fun.

Michael Dimozantos

"Germany refuses to pay the "war loan" the took from Greece and the reparations for totally destroying the Country and murdering over 600,000"

To many nationalism always conducts to war! Well Proved !

"The United States of Europe is a pie in the sky wish of foolish and naive dreamers"
No! this Totaly Wrong !

As we know Europe is federating long ago!
Soon It will be called "Confederated states of Europe"
with an european "Central Institution" which Europe already has but with still high sovereignity for states or territories or whatever words are named finally!
And Yes! Very possible later it may be called United States of Europe if It gets a Central governement with higher soveregnity in dual federalism!

Sometimes national Governalism conducts even to corruption!
See Greece !No words! What happen in Spain:17 Autonomious Region subgoverning!!Catalunya wants to be a Nation now!Vasquos Countries wants their Independencies and bombing innocent citizens (ETA)!???

Sorry for confirming that but if You're United and have a conservative Central Governement corruptions will be in subgov difficult to achieve!

As it seems! Not everybody knows what signification is the symbol of the Euro ! ...and surely NOT war..

UKskeptic,
Keep dreaming!!

@Edward99 & Michael Dimozantos

I totally agree with UKskeptic!!!

Mainly Anti-European insults and hate speech comments are only logic pure of inconsequential thinking

Posted on : 29/10/2012
You're last post is a cheek

And finally it's very sad to see defavourable comments against europeans and and the whole of Europe !?

Unbelievable !!

Ukskeptic,
I is goody and you is baddy. I blame the Persians who speculate on the nationality or language use of those who point out the emptyness of their position.(?????) Confucius say viable solution to EU is country come from. I live in dungeon with Edwards99 since eternity playing guessing games when you shut up. Have slouvlaki good for brain from computer hypotheses and genetic theories.

UKskeptic
First you must tell me were is the endoctrination camp? It must be in Brussels,isn`it? My advice to you, go to an english camp to learn english. If you cannot communicate in English, the international language, how do you expect to communicate within the EU? I guess you are restoring the camp of Babel, old chap!!
I still blame the Persians for the second world war, according to my computer hypotheses and genetic theories!! (lol)

EUROPANTO GOBBL-DE-GOOP. 11 Languages in the EU in 1996.

Esté nueva idioma, no es crazy,
Pero it can make unas personas trés lazy,
No necesitar to learn eleven idiomas,
For al final cette course, no hay diplomas.

C’est trés facile than “Old English Pigion”,
Per favore-grazie, you learn just a smidgen,
Straight up mate, vous ne regrettez pas,
Just cheek, sommi Old Greek, you understand JA?

Was darf es sein more than anything now?
For c’est un morçeau de gateau, mein Frau,
C’est wild, to learn impotante Europese,
Just mix up todo este idiomas avec mucho ease.

Beware though, personas in Brussels just might,
Qué commencer as a joke, may be taken as right,
Si Europanto catches on, c’est vraiment to relate,
Mucho interpreters will meet a very sad fate.

Goodbye, Arrivederci, Gia sas, Hasta Luego, Adjö, Näkemiin,
Farvel, Dag, Au revior, Até logo, and Auf Wiedersehen,
N’est pas vraiment, C’est un horreur,
Arrividerci———————until tomorreur!!!!

I mean Goodbye. Plesase do not contact me again.

Strewth! What does it take to get the message across to you? I really do not care one little bit what you think or do. Goodbye.

UKskeptic
You are weird. You should join the EU Commission. You need a psychiatrist. For your information I am born Greek and emmigrated to Canada some 45 years ago and can communicate effectively in 5 languages but not swahili, bengali or Gobongobongo. De ar verklig togig. Vad fan sager du.Jag forstar ingenting om vad du skriver. Eh alors le Francais c'est le langue d'amour mais pas du commerce.Alors vas fair l'amour.Tu sei tokato, malatesta. Du bist forukt und dumkopf. You seem to live in a different world. In this world English is the only international language as defined by the UN. The fact that French is spoken by 200 million (as you say) means nothing. Chinese is spoken by 1.5 billion people. So what is your point? Please leave Canada alone. It has achieved what the EU dreams of achieving both in living conditions and the economy. There are 177 languages spoken in Canada and there is no racial discrimination unlike Europe. I may be a Canadian citizen but I am also a Greek. So cut the crap moron and get out of Greece before the Greeks boot you out which they plan to do soon. You are not intellectually capable to seriously debate anything. And please leave Anne alone and respect her wish. You refer to her and when she answers you deny it. Boy you are weird.The British and Americans started the landing in Normandy before the Russians freed Stalingrad. They were also the first ones to enter Berlin. Also the English and Americans provided the Russians with much needed war material. Anyway this is history that has nothing to do with your EU. If it weren`t for these American cowboys (as you refer to them)we would all be speaking German now. I do not know about you but I am eternally thankful to the British and Americans for kicking the ass of the Nazis.Finally let me tell you this: the end of the EU is inevitable however much you do not wish it. Good riddance to it since it causes enmity between the member States and the Germans wish to create the reich they could not achieve by war (a leopard does not lose its spots). Anyway I requested many times to be removed from this forum but it doesn`t happen. I wish to stop my absurdities from disturbing you.You win. I cannot keep up with your level of thoughts. Please do not answer me if you do not mind, as I have given up.

By the way everybody knows Nazi Berlin mostly was beaten thanks to the Red Army. You aren't going to teach europeans from Canada their own history, but why have the british then started right away a "cold war" against the Russians, if their so inherent greatfulness condamnes them to eternal servitude for their allies?