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Scotland will not reapply to EU from outside: Salmond

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Published 17 January 2013

Negotiations on Scotland’s position in Europe will take place from within the EU after a referendum on independence next year, said First Minister Alex Salmond.

“Scotland will still be a member of the UK so negotiations will take place by definition from within the European Union”, Salmond told BBC News on Wednesday (16 January).

European Commission President José Manuel Barroso has said that any newly formed state would have to reapply for membership from outside the EU.

But Salmond does not believe that will be the case for his country.

“We’re not currently a member state and I’m confident that Scotland will be negotiating its position after the referendum, before independence, from within the context of the European Union. That point is inarguable.”

Following a positive outcome in the vote, talks between Scottish ministers and EU officials would take place before the transfer of sovereignty, in 2016, Salmond said.

The Commission did not respond to a request for legal clarity on this matter. Barroso has previously declined to comment on Scotland's case specifically.

British lawmakers have begun debating an order to allow the Holyrood government in Edinburgh to hold a referendum, which is expected in the autumn of 2014.

No euro prospect

In the radio interview, Scotland’s head of government contrasted his party's desire to stay in the EU with the UK’s current drift towards the exit.

“We’ll be negotiating to stay within the European Union. The prime minister [David Cameron]… is going to have some sort of negotiations which might result in the rest of the UK being out of the European Union. Frankly … the idea that oil rich, renewable energy rich Scotland will not be wanted as part of the European Union is simply incredible.”

The United Kingdom, including Scotland, currently has opt-outs on the euro currency and the Schengen area, citizens whose governments are a member of which are permitted to move freely without border controls. Accession negotiations require new member states to opt in, potentially spelling the end of the pound sterling in Scotland and border controls set up between it and England.

But Salmond said there was currently “no prospect” of a newly independent Scotland joining the euro. “It’s not part of the position.”

Salmond said his government would abide by whatever the outcome of the referendum, but he said it was within the right of Scottish citizens to choose their government.

“The referendum is beyond argument in terms of its democratic credentials. That this is something that can be judged down here [in England], that somehow there’s a question about how the Scottish Parliament democratically elected would decide these things, I don’t think does credit to those who cast doubt on the credentials of the people of Scotland’s ability to decide these things for ourselves. I think those times have changed and we’re quite entitled to do that.”

Salmond told BBC on Tuesday that the right to a free education and to a home could be enshrined in the written constitution of an independent Scotland.

The first minister said the UK was out of step with other European democracies in not having a formal, written constitution.

Next steps: 
  • 5-8 June 2014: European elections (dates to be confirmed)
  • 24 June 2014: 600-year anniversary of the Battle of Bannockburn with which the referendum is set to coincide
  • Autumn 2014: Scottish referendum expected
Marc Hall

COMMENTS

  • The rules are that all new EU members should join the euro. If Scotland does not want to do this then they should not join the EU.

    By :
    European
    - Posted on :
    17/01/2013
  • Negotziations! Negotiations! Negotiations! for staying in the EU ........
    What a bunch pussyfooted negotiations.....

    Simply stay in and follow the european rules ..Drive ^right instead left......

    By :
    United Europe
    - Posted on :
    17/01/2013
  • A Escocia é um bom parceiro para entrar no mercado Unico este pais hoje esta a produzir riquesa a baxo de custo esperamos que no futuro seja um bom parceiro dentro do espaço europeu

    By :
    eusebio manuel vestias pecurto
    - Posted on :
    17/01/2013
  • Salomond is promising rain at the doorsteps and sunshine on the backyard. If Scotland wants to remain in the EU it will have to apply for membership, which will also include the adoption of the €uro. Politically there's no other way of doing this, it is the only way to keep the independentists in places like Bavaria or Catalonia at check.

    By :
    Luis
    - Posted on :
    17/01/2013
  • Alex salmond is crazy. He thinks everybody in Europe is just going to let him do what he wants and agree to all he demands without question. Sorry salmond, but if you want to join EU then you must apply like any other member state. And you must commit to join the euro.

    By :
    Johan
    - Posted on :
    17/01/2013
  • I could see how the referendum on Scottish independence could be a difficult question for the voters as they may want to leave the UK and join/re-join the EU but that means they will be handing their governance over to Brussels and the EU institutions as the other 26 countries move towards further and deeper integration so I am not sure what the Scots would have achieved (other than deciding this is what they want). If the Scots don't vote to separate from the UK but still want to be a part of the EU, it is conceivable that the UK opts out so much from the EU that it becomes, de facto, a non-EU state, possibly an EEA country. Personally, I think many Scots, possibly a majority would prefer not to be in the EU in the way it is currently structured and, tehrefore, may decide to vote to stay in the UK and then see where the UK votes, should there be a referendum on opt-outs or an in/out vote. If it is the latter, what, then, for the SNP?

    By :
    Don Latuske
    - Posted on :
    17/01/2013
  • A state may only join the Union if it respects the values of Article 2 of the Treaty: democracy, human rights etc. For a new country, it is obvious that this can only be seen after years of existence. So there is no question of joining the EU anytime soon for Scotland, Catalonia and others.

    By :
    Heurope
    - Posted on :
    17/01/2013
  • Scotland has Europe's biggest fishery and over 80% of the EU's oil reserve.

    Assuming Scotland can discover the self respect and confidence to vote for independence, are you all sure you want to kick the Scots out? What about Scots ex-pats on the continent? Do they get sent home?

    Give me a break.

    For Scotland to use the Euro they would have to meet the conditions of Euro zone entry:
    1) have a soverign currency
    2) voluntarily take this currency into the ERM
    3) remain in ERM for 3 years

    Scotland doesn't meet requirement 1, but even if it did it could do a Sweden on requirement 2.

    In this, on the fisheries, on immigration and all the rest: Scotland will negotiate continuing EU membership in Scotland's interest - that's what normal countries do.

    By :
    Andy MacLean
    - Posted on :
    17/01/2013
  • I should add, for the benefit of Heurope, that Scotland has its own legal system and Scots law is already 100% compliant with EU law.

    There would have to be a political negotiation to settle the detail of the various obligations, but an independent Scotland would be negotiating from a strong position vis-a-vis the oil, the renewable energy, the 40 year history of EU citizenship and the small matter of the fishery that keeps the Spanish, French and Italian fleets in business.

    Of course, Scotland could just decide to wimp out and let the Right Honourable Gentlemen of Westminster run their country for them.

    By :
    Andy MacLean
    - Posted on :
    17/01/2013
  • It is debatable whether all current EU countries would recognise Scottish independence. And if some countries don't recognise an independent Scotland, it is unlikely that EU membership can even be talked about.
    While Kosovo is an entirely different issue, it still remains a fact that Spain, Greece, Cyprus, Slovakia and Romania have not recognised its independence, mostly because they fear a precedent in allowing the recognition of a seceding province. Will Spain recognise Scotland, thus leading the way to Catalonian independence and EU membership?

    By :
    d_l_esmond
    - Posted on :
    17/01/2013
  • The Edinburgh agreement means London will recognise Scotland - so why on earth wouldn't Madrid?

    By :
    Andy MacLean
    - Posted on :
    17/01/2013
  • Andy: the only Scottish resource that's really relevant for Europe is the wind resource of the North Sea. Oil and Gas are terminal and the fishing area is not relevant at the EU scale. Naturally, the wind resource Scotland has access to is only relevant if it can be sold, just like Russia with Natural Gas. That electricity will move south, with Scotland outside or inside the EU.

    I think you are missing the dimension of the political consequences of a swift adhesion to the EU, moreover with special conditions to remain outside the €. Germany, Spain, Greece, Belgium, even France, can't possibly let something like that happen.

    By :
    Luis
    - Posted on :
    18/01/2013
  • Andy, note also that you are the only one in this discussion thinking the EU would like this to happen Solomon's way. This issue is seen from a totally different perspective in the continent.

    By :
    Luis
    - Posted on :
    18/01/2013
  • Thanks, Luis, but I write from the continent.

    The EU doesn't need this headache, but if "Yes" wins the day the inherently expansionist EU will not want Scotland to leave.

    By :
    Andy MacLean
    - Posted on :
    18/01/2013
  • Good discussion guys. I think that you all make valid comments. Andy is right that the Spaniards would not be happy to lose out on Scottish Fisheries.

    Luis is however the most realistic as this has never happened before and the decision will in the end be political. Am I right in saying that the Council will have to be unanimous or it's no go.

    As someone living in Scotland I am against Independence for many reasons and hope that the current polls running between 30-32% in favour of independence doesn't increase too much. Regrettably we are going to have over 18 months of lies, bribery and impossible promises to put up with. Does anyone have a cave in Morocco which I can borrow?

    George Mc

    By :
    George Mc
    - Posted on :
    23/01/2013
  • I hope and pray that Scotland will have the common sense to stay out of the EU. To join the EU after independence is to remove the shakles of Westmester for a new set of shakles from Brussels.

    By :
    Sweet Liberty
    - Posted on :
    10/02/2013
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Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond (right) and European Commission President José Manuel Barroso (EC photo)
Background: 

Scotland and the UK signed an agreement on 15 October 2012 opening the way for a referendum on independence in the autumn 2014.

Scotland has been a nation within the United Kingdom since the UK was founded in 1707. The current Scottish Parliament was founded in 1999 as part of the process of devolution within the UK, which created regional assemblies in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, to give the regions greater autonomy. The Scottish Parliament has control over some parts of policy, such as education and health, and can create its own laws on these issues.

The Scottish National Party (SNP), which leads the devolved government, is campaigning for Scottish independence. The SNP claims that Scotland needs a stronger voice in Europe and beyond to properly represent its social, political and economic interests.

Scottish ministers complain that issues important to them are often sidelined by London.

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