Est. 3min 10-09-2004 (updated: 05-06-2012 ) Euractiv is part of the Trust Project >>> Languages: Français | DeutschPrint Email Facebook X LinkedIn WhatsApp Telegram The two major ‘sinners’ France and Germany are gearing up for a first round of informal discussions on how best to reform the ailing Stability and Growth Pact. The eagerly awaited informal debate on the Stability and Growth Pact among finance ministers will be taking place in Scheveningen on 10 and 11 September. The pact has been in crisis ever since France and Germany, the two major ‘offenders’, were let off the hook by the Council. The European Court of Justice ruled against the Council on procedural grounds but the Commission’s recent Communication (see EURACTIV 3 September 2004 ) clearly shows their recognition of the need for debate to clear the air on this issue. “The communication fits in with the ideas put forward by the Minister of Finance Sarkozy. It’s a good starting point for debate,” said DePoncins, a spokesperson for the French Permanent Representation in Brussels. De Poncins also told EURACTIV that the nature of public expenditure should be taken into account. In this context, he defended military expenditure by the UK and France on the basis that it helps ensure security for the whole of Europe. In a speech to the Bundestag on 7 September, Germany’s Finance Minister Hans Eichel said the country’s violations were not “on purpose” and that the key was to link the budget consolidation debate with the ‘solidarity’ funds and EU budget debates. He underlined that countries such as Spain, Ireland and Portugal should be relinquishing some of the solidarity funds and that a tight lid needed to be kept on the EU budget. The Bundesbank is less than impressed with the Commission’s Communication. It was quoted by Agence France Presse as saying that the proposed changes will not strengthen but weaken the stability pact. There was no comment from the Banque de France. Other major issues on the agenda include the new financial perspectives (EU budget) 2007-13 and reducing the administrative burden. The appointment of a ‘Mr Euro’ for the Eurogroup, widely expected to be Luxembourg Prime Minister Jean-Claude Juncker, and the recent surge in the price of oil will also be discussed. Another issue likely to be on the table is French Finance Minister Nicolas Sarkozy’s controversial idea for the EU to stop paying out structural funds to new Member States with tax rates inferior to the EU average (see EURACTIV 7 September 2004 ). Read more with Euractiv Press review: Debate on Stability and Growth Pact EURACTIV sums up press reaction from the UK, France and Germany as the Commission sets out the ground rules in the debate on how to reform the Stability and Growth Pact. Subscribe now to our newsletter EU Elections Decoded Email Address * Politics Newsletters Further ReadingEU official documents Dutch PresidencyAgenda of the Eurogroup and informal EcoFin on 10/11 September EU Actors positions lavoceUn Patto piu "intelligente" Deutsche Bank ResearchEuropean Court of Justice gives stability pact new chance Greens/European Free AllianceGreens/EFA welcome 'intelligent' Commission proposals Press articles AFP/Channel News Asia BBC